Trek n' Weed

[SpockWeed]

It would be very possible that marijuana would be legal in more enlightened times

It would be more possible that enlightened people of the future, where crime and poverty are things of the past blah blah etc., wouldn't want to screw with their perceptions, take health risks, hide from reality, and so forth by using drugs.

Judging from what happened to the original City of the Edge of Forever script, Roddenberry was clearly against this idea too, so regardless of your pro-drug feelings , I feel that it is safe to say that none of the characters would do this and it wouldn't be considered OK if they did.

P.S.

Then how to explain the use of alcohol in Trek? Plus I never said I was pro-drug(s).

 

[Sci]

Judging from what happened to the original City of the Edge of Forever script, Roddenberry was clearly against this idea too, so regardless of your pro-drug feelings , I feel that it is safe to say that none of the characters would do this and it wouldn't be considered OK if they did.

P.S.

I for one am not pro-drugs. I just don't believe that a society based upon the principles of liberty has the right to force someone not to imbue whatever substances they so choose so long as they do not harm others.

 

[Lynx]

My guess is that drugs have been abandoned in the 22-24th century because of the damage made to the people who did use it.

As it is, too many of our movie favorites and rock favorites have died because of drug abuse.

The only people who benefits from drugs are those who deals it and makes money out of it.

As for alcohol, the 22-24th century people seem to use some sort of synthetic stuff. If or when they drink "the real thing", they seem to be very cautious with it, probably aware of the bad effects. Besides that, I guess that science have found a way to stop people from getting dependent of it.

Marijuana does probably not exist in this time period, due to it's damaging effect on people.

As for smoking anything, let me quote from the book "Caretaker" which is based on the script from the Voyager pilot episode:

"Someone had told him ("him" is Tom Paris) once that the distinctive blue-grey lighting affected by most human drinking joints was a holdover from when bars on Earth had been filled to bursting with the smoke of burning paper cylinders, all stuffed with various species of nicotine-producing plants. People supposedly drew this smoke into their lungs and purposefully held it there before exhaling. Paris found the idea of this not only unbelievable, but kind of disgusting."

 

[M'Sharak]

Herbert is out in force today.

 

[SpockWeed]

I did a longer post but forgot this forum dumps your login after around 5 minutes. Highly illogical.

Well here's my TNG take

Picard: not since his academy daze
Riker: never onboard; on vacation is another story
Beverly: pretty much anti-drug
Wesley: he was a good kid before he ran off with that Traveller weirdo. Next thing you know he's tried every hallucinogen he can find, and the Traveller as "opened him up" in many ways.
Troi: same as Riker, except she can prescribe it.
Reg Barclay: has a script from Troi, vaporizes three times daily.
Geordi: too straight laced, even on vacation. not his cup o' tea.
Worf: avoids weed with contempt. A klingon in the depths of a laughing fit and munchie binge is a sad, depraved thing.
Data: has a Cheech&Chong subroutine.
Tasha: no, it gives her flashbacks to her coke and heroin days. Poor Tasha.

Hehehe, this is what this thread was meant for. Klingons with the muchies. Classic.

 

[S'kai]

Damn. This thread is giving me cravings.

McCoy: We have some for medicinal purposes only.

Spock: Interesting. It seems to increase emotional reactions. Why would anyone want to take such a substance?

Sulu: Got any amyl or roofies with that?

Uhura: Come on, honey, there's more where that came from.

Scotty: It'll do in a pinch, but I'll take Scotch any day.

Chekov: Ve Russians invented Vodka so there would be some available all year round.

Kirk (academy days): Honest, Commodore Dean ! It was the girl's idea. She had me completely wrapped around her finger!

 

[Outpost4]

With virtual reality simulations like a holodeck, who needs drugs? Why have a party in your head when you can have whatever you want engulf all of your senses?

Although you've never done the Risian mescaline...

Herbert is out in force today.

Indeed.

 

[NiteTrek]

Chekov: Ve Russians invented Vodka so there would be some available all year round.

Ve Russians inwented wodka so there would be some awailable all year round.

Fixed it for ya!

 

[TeutonicNights]

Star Trek has been pro-Alcohol and Anti other drugs from the beginning.
The "poisoned" fruit in the way to Eden was clearly a reference to the dnagers of increased use of all kinds of substances in the late 60s. Interestingly, Alcohol is depicted as something positive and part of everyday life. In every love scene, every social ritual, any shore leave scene, Alcohol plays an important part.
Alcohol is also portrayed as a problem-solver, a way to make social intercourse easier, to deal with failure and loss and as a part of funny scenes.
By TNG time, zeitgeist had changed and they now went the "evolved humans" route, making an "in your face" statement in Symbiosis and making clear the crew is drinking non-alcoholic liquids most of the time- Although it makes you think: If Synthehol copies the "appearance and taste" of alcohol- wouldn't that imply that those 24th century people are still regularly consuming alcohol (at least a big part of them), so that they'd want an approximation of that taste in their non-alcoholic drinks too?

Anyway it shows that drug use while on duty is unacceptable- except for Benzites of course, who have basically a bong built into their uniforms...
The same goes for Voyager, but even more extreme. Paris and Torres specifically planned for real Alcohol to be part of their speakeasy honeymoon.
On the other hand, other drugs are clearly denounced.
In the one episode where those Aliens tell Kim he's one of them, some dude hands Harry some sniffing apparatus, and tells him "no side effects", but good boy Harry Kim declines,, he "just says no".
In that episode where Neelix is involved in drug smuggling, Neelix even states "It''s a Narcotic", as though the drug laws and its nomenclature of today's Earth have magically spread throughout the Galaxy.
Interesting is Voyager's handling of the ritual use of drugs. Not only is Chakotay's magic box nothing more than a hallucination-inducing "technological" drug (I bet it has a turbo-mode, too),
also in that episode where Janeway undergoes that ritual, a psychotropic substance is involved.

On DS9 I found it interesting that the chemists shop on the promenade turned out to be the local drug selling joint.

 

[dougkeenan]

Herbert is out in force today.

LOL

we are ONE on that

 

[CaptainStoner]

Herbert is out in force today.

Indeed.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Star Trek has been pro-Alcohol and Anti other drugs from the beginning.
The "poisoned" fruit in the way to Eden was clearly a reference to the dnagers of increased use of all kinds of substances in the late 60s. Interestingly, Alcohol is depicted as something positive and part of everyday life. In every love scene, every social ritual, any shore leave scene, Alcohol plays an important part.

I think the interpretation of "way to Eden" is easily debated. Further, I think pot smoking Beatniks like myself may even have a further insight as to what that episode is about.
Well for one, there is no smoking reference, nor any drug reference. It seems to me that the episode is more clearly a statement of caution against the excess of the movement of the time, which at that point was peaking. If we are to infer an anti-drug reference, I think it is more clearly against the excessive use of LSD as "the answer", and perhaps the leader of the space hippies is a parallel of Dr. Timothy Leary with some Charlie Manson thrown in. The "way to Eden" was a parallel for taking LSD, and the TOS writers nailed the pathos of that path on the head before the Hippy Movement had started to spoil. But it is worth noting that what spelled the end of that was not pot or LSD, but speed, heroin, even alcohol. And if one doesn't understand the enormous difference between a pot smoker who takes LSD a few times year, and a heroin fiend, a crackhead, or an alcoholic, and cannot see that these things are not even on the same continuum, well then that person, well meaning or not, is talking out their arse.

 

[Michael]

Star Trek has been pro-Alcohol and Anti other drugs from the beginning.
The "poisoned" fruit in the way to Eden was clearly a reference to the dnagers of increased use of all kinds of substances in the late 60s. Interestingly, Alcohol is depicted as something positive and part of everyday life. In every love scene, every social ritual, any shore leave scene, Alcohol plays an important part.

I think the interpretation of "way to Eden" is easily debated. Further, I think pot smoking Beatniks like myself may even have a further insight as to what that episode is about.
Well for one, there is no smoking reference, nor any drug reference. It seems to me that the episode is more clearly a statement of caution against the excess of the movement of the time, which at that point was peaking. If we are to infer an anti-drug reference, I think it is more clearly against the excessive use of LSD as "the answer", and perhaps the leader of the space hippies is a parallel of Dr. Timothy Leary. The "way to Eden" was a parallel for taking LSD, and the TOS writers nailed the pathos of that path on the head before the Hippy Movement had started to spoil. But it is worth noting that what spelled the end of that was not pot or LSD, but speed, heroin, even alcohol. And if one doesn't understand the enormous difference between a pot smoker who takes LSD a few times year, and a heroin fiend, that can see that these things are not even on the same continuum, well then that person, well meaning or not, is talking out their arse.

OR alternatively it was just a fun little episode.

 

[dougkeenan]

OK, if "Eden" is about psychedelics perhaps "This Side of Paradise" is a better allegory for cannabis?

 

[Lynx]

And if one doesn't understand the enormous difference between a pot smoker who takes LSD a few times year, and a heroin fiend, a crackhead, or an alcoholic, and cannot see that these things are not even on the same continuum, well then that person, well meaning or not, is talking out their arse.

I've seen and known people who have started with pot and marijuana who have continued with heavier stuff and died. Besides that, pot and marijuana aren't particularily friendly to the brain and body either.

As for LSD, it damaged the brains of talented people like Syd Barrett, Peter Green and Danny Kirwan among others.

 

[O'Dib]

I was high when watching the ep where Data was learning humour. 'Twas a blast. I wished I was high when watching the ep where Data had a girlfriend...

I think all drugs would be legal in the Federation. For example, officers could take speed when faced with an urgent task, meth during wartime... and I'm sure there'd be technology to counter drugs' habit-forming properties...

 

[Michael]

For example, officers could take speed when faced with an urgent task, meth during wartime... and I'm sure there'd be technology to counter drugs' habit-forming properties...

Again, .

 

[Lynx]

Drugs might cause the end of our Western Civilization.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Everyone on DS9 would be lightin' up, that's for sure. Quark would be doing very good business.

Also: Spock, plus Trip, Reed and Mayweather.

Janeway would prohibit it. Ole granny Picard would push you out the airlock if he caught you with it.

 

[Wonderlust King]

I have always dreamed of having a replicator to replicate marijuana.

Me and my one buddy always smoke and watch the weirder episodes/movies of Star Trek like Wolf in the Fold, Trouble with Tribbles, Nazi Planet, Day of the Dove, The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier.