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Trek n' Weed

I have always dreamed of having a replicator to replicate marijuana.
God already took care of that for you - add dirt, water occasionally, and make sure it has access to red and blue photons. It comes packaged in a small achene that is also nutritional and tasty. You can make a lamp out of the oil contained inside, or use it to fuel an internal combustion engine.
 
Here's one of my favorite TOS trivia questions.

In the 79 original Star Trek episodes, there is only one indication that any civilized being in the galaxy in the 23rd century practices smoking in any form. Can you name it?

I'll post the answer in 24 hours if no one gets it. This one is a doozy.
 
Drugs might cause the end of our Western Civilization.
Considering hemp rope dates back in China thousands of years, to well before recorded history, and the hallucinogenic affects of its flower has also been know by them also for thousands of years, I think you're a little late to be about worrying about the fall of civilization, at least regarding marijuana.

Plus western civilization has shown a remarkable ability to move away from the drugs with the most harmful effects. Cocaine was a widely prescribed stimulant 150 years ago; not any more. Psychedelics rose in popularity 45 years ago and then waned. Heroin, while a terrible scourge, has been rejected by most western cultures, at least among the ruling and productive classes. Shanghi isn't an opium den, no matter what it was like in the 19th century. I'm not saying we shouldn't be worried and take actions against crack and smack and those drugs that attack you, but I don't foresee America turning into a giant meth lab.

Back on topic: I can't imagine drugs are a problem in the Trek Universe. Has Riker smoked a little of the native weed (or the equivalent) on vacation? I'd bet you 1000 quatloos that happened. Did he ever bring any on board the Enterprise? Not on your life.
 
Here's one of my favorite TOS trivia questions.

In the 79 original Star Trek episodes, there is only one indication that any civilized being in the galaxy in the 23rd century practices smoking in any form. Can you name it?

I'll post the answer in 24 hours if no one gets it. This one is a doozy.
Beyond the smoke rising from DeForest Kelley's cigarette off camera in the operation scene in Journey To Babel?

(At least I think it was Journey To Babel. It might have been Spock's Brain.)
 
Roddenberry was prone to the use of illegal substances himself, so he certainly couldn't have been a credible arbiter.

I'd expect just about everything to be legal in Kirk's 23rd century. And considering that Scotty gave the appearence of being alcoholic it's quite clear that neither people nor society had "evolved" to a disinterest in the altering of perceptions.

McCoy probably dropped acid. Spock would be horrified by the very idea.
 
Beyond the smoke rising from DeForest Kelley's cigarette off camera in the operation scene in Journey To Babel?

(At least I think it was Journey To Babel. It might have been Spock's Brain.)

Good answer, but I was thinking in terms of a purely fictional context. Here's a hint - we don't actually see anyone smoking, but there is smoking paraphenelia visible in one scene.
 
Being "anti-drug" is like being "anti-earthquake" insofar as one indulges in the wishful assumption that people will stop using them. This is just a particular variation of "people will stop being people."

It's virtually impossible to find a society, including the very simplest and most isolated, where people don't use some kinds of drugs to alter their state of mind.
 
Being "anti-drug" is like being "anti-earthquake" insofar as one indulges in the wishful assumption that people will stop using them. This is just a particular variation of "people will stop being people."

It's virtually impossible to find a society, including the very simplest and most isolated, where people don't use some kinds of drugs to alter their state of mind.
And they'll use human ingenuity to get to it: "I used a hand phaser, and zap--hot coffee."
 
Was Romulan Ale illegal because of a trade embargo, or because of it's intoxicating properties?

Trade embargo. It was legalized when the Federation had peaceful relations with the Romulans (during the Dominian War) and banned after tensions had resumed (Nemesis).

My thought is that most drugs are legalized, although they can't be used by officers on duty. Off duty, on the other hand, some of the less uptight ones might do some (with medical advances, it's possible that the more harmful ones are less harmful. But, with the evolution of society, I think there are less people who use drugs as a way to escape from the world).

As for who would partake:
On Enterprise, I can't see anyone smoking, except Phlox (part of his learning about other cultures).
In the Original Series, I could see most of them smoking (except for Spock)
TNG: Riker, Troi, that's probably it (Although I'm amused at the thought of Data)
DS9: Maybes for O'Brien, Bashir, and Dax, definitely for Jake and Nog, if the Bajorans made it illegal, Quark would deal it.
VOY: Chakotay and Paris, yes. Neelix maybe (if they had some on board) Everyone else, probably not (especially not Harry Kim).
 
I have always dreamed of having a replicator to replicate marijuana.

Me and my one buddy always smoke and watch the weirder episodes/movies of Star Trek like Wolf in the Fold, Trouble with Tribbles, Nazi Planet, Day of the Dove, The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier.


:rommie: Replicator: thai-stick please. Nice
 
I think this whole thread has posed some very interesting questions. Im not necessarily talking about the "Who would smoke weed?" But the more serious issues. It raises questions like "Is Star Trek really enlightened?" Because although Gene Roddenberry had a vision when he created Star Trek, i dont think it was truly ever realised in any real sense- Well at least when this particular subject is concerned. Perhaps its only evolved as far as tptb wanted it to. They got to choose what they wanted to remove from society to make it better, and what they wanted to keep. So, lets all have this weird communist mentality and abolish currency but carry on getting wasted? As its been noted, the man himself advocated alcohol use often. Every Star Trek has made references to drugs and/or alcohol in one form or another. If you take away the starships and technology, are they really any different from us? Is Star Trek truly an evolved vision of the future? I think the answer is no.

Would a truly free society let people do what they want and trust in their abilities to make the right choice? Or impose rules against drugs and alcohol in the name of enlightenment? If anyone saw my last post then you've probably gathered that i'm anti-drugs, and in that vein i ask you; How can a person truly be free, if they willingly surrender their minds and bodies to addiction?

There is no such thing as a truly free society, because a society cannot function without rules of conduct, without law. In that light, i dont think ANY vision of the future that claims to be truly enlightened, truly free to live their own lives and make their own choices, could ever last.
 
And if one doesn't understand the enormous difference between a pot smoker who takes LSD a few times year, and a heroin fiend, a crackhead, or an alcoholic, and cannot see that these things are not even on the same continuum, well then that person, well meaning or not, is talking out their arse.

I've seen and known people who have started with pot and marijuana who have continued with heavier stuff and died. Besides that, pot and marijuana aren't particularily friendly to the brain and body either.

As for LSD, it damaged the brains of talented people like Syd Barrett, Peter Green and Danny Kirwan among others.

I'm all for denouncing the heavier stuff. We've lost too many to that. Garcia, it was heroin. Janis Joplin as well. Morrison, alcohol + others.
No one's ever died of a marijuana overdose, unless they were diabetic and ate a pint of ice cream.
LSD - originally used for psychotherapy with great result and the potential to cure schizophrenia. Powerful stuff. Not to be handed out as candy, and with someone like Syd Barret, already mentally ill, there is real danger there.
No, I'm not pro-drug. But demonizing cannabis makes no sense, and only creates disillusionment in young people when they find they've been lied to. It also creates the allure of the forbidden. I'm for being real about this stuff, real about alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, and so on.
I think it's likely that people who go to heroin from marijuana are on that path whether they smoke MJ or not. The 'gateway' theory just doesn't hold up in the vast majority. I know dozens of pot-smoking people who keep decent jobs and don't become junkies. It's a difficult problem when someone goes down that road, but as Hank Hill says, "don't blame the beer."
Now, on to TOS:

Kirk: obviously Herbert. But as such, probably a hypocrite.
Spock: vaporizes before chess or vulcan harp playing. He reaches.
McCoy: doesn't strike me as one who would imbibe cannabis unless on rare occasions. Though if he did, he'd probably find Spock hilarious.
Scott: half a gallon of Scotch, please. Aligning the warp core drunk is one thing, but he'll be damned if any of his engineering staff be stoned!
Uhura: she's too professional. maybe off-duty but she would keep it under wraps.
Chekov and Sulu: used to share a joint before bridge duty, until that time Sulu tried making out with him. After that, not so much.
 
Answer to yesterday's question:

In "A Piece of the Action", a cigar humidor can be seen on Krako's desk.
 
Hopefully, drugs are prohibited for StarFleet personnel. Random drug testing should be a part of SF service.
I sure wouldn't want anyone smoking a blunt to be in charge of the warp drive or transporting me safely to and from anywhere.

Famed English druggie Shaun Ryder declared that if there were such a thing as a holodeck, nobody would bother with drugs. I declare that a holodeck would make the use of drugs that much better ;)
 
Answer to yesterday's question:

In "A Piece of the Action", a cigar humidor can be seen on Krako's desk.
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Was Romulan Ale illegal because of a trade embargo, or because of it's intoxicating properties?

When the Federation and Romulan Star Empire were allied during the Dominion War, Romulan ale was legally served aboard Federation starships because the trade embargo the UFP had had on the RSE was lifted. All this from "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" (DS9).
 
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