The Wrath of Khan Directors Cut Vs. Theatrical Cut, Differences?

[Brutal Strudel]

I prefer the original theatriucal release. Too many scenes in the director's cut tell us stuff we already know, tip the film's hand regarding stuff that should be a surprise (Carol Marcus telling her crew to pack up and leave) and, in so doing, uses takes which lack the oomph of the ones used originally.

 

[A beaker full of death]

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4BjWW5jTw

TGT

You gotta love Shatners reading of "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE" at 2.40

IIRC this is the scene that Meyer had him do again and again to prevent the telegraphed "here it comes!!"

Almost all of those scenes seem to be alternate takes to the ones that ended up on screen.

 

[Timby]

In the ABC version, McCoy repeats the line "In the wrong hands??" incredulously. And I'm pretty sure he said "logical," not "cold-blooded."

That line is in the Director's Edition DVD. I just checked it.

In the wrong hands? Would you mind telling whose are the right hands, my logical friend? Or are you in any way in favor of these experiments?

 

[Oso Blanco]

I have the ABC cut on my hard drive, is there anything I can do to clear things up?

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

I have the ABC cut on my hard drive, is there anything I can do to clear things up?

Well, there is some question if there is ANY difference between the post-genesis tape debate between McCoy and Spock in the Director's cut vs the ABC cut..........

Possibly it's a different take, but some question if the dialogue is exactly the same.

Also, people have hoped for a pictures/screencaps of the alternate 'close-ups' version of the Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scene.

So thanks for any help !!

 

[ChristopherPike]

Several of the lines delivered on the Director's Edition DVD are alternative takes. Having seen the Theatrical more times than I can count, hearing a different emphasis on the dialogue always pulls me right out of the film. Most of the seconds put back stand out, like experimental stuff to keep the actors happy. Character moments for the supporting cast usually hit the cutting room floor when the scene needs tightening up. Proof that Nick Meyer made the right choices to begin with.

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

Several of the lines delivered are alternative takes. Having seen the Theatrical more times than I can count, hearing a different emphasis on the dialogue always pulls me right out of the film. Proof that Nick Meyer made the right choices to begin with.

Nope. He never made those choices.........

The Director's cut is the cut he preferred in 1982. Paramount wanted it tighter and they made him cut out what turned out to be 3 1/2 minutes.

When they came to meyer in 1985 fo suggestions to expand the movie for TV--it was a no-brainer. He simply took the same exact 3 1/2 mintues paramount forced him to cut 3 years earlier.

And then in 2002 when they asked him to create a official Dir Cut for the DVD he took the same 3 1/2 minutes and inserted them. He says he prefers the DC in the commentary. He also states he's not a huge fan of changes to movies for the sake of change, but these were changes forced on him after he assembled his preferred cut in 1982, so he didn't fel like it was revisionism with many years of hindsight but more the version he wanted all along.

 

[guardian]

Spock & McCoy debating was 'character moments made up to keep the cast happy'

Giving some back story to Scotty was just to keep Doohan happy ?

The touching scene between Kirk & McCoy after the first battle was just to keep the cast happy?

Spock's wry comment on the 'human ego' was to keep the cast happy?

More dialogue between Kirk & McCoy in his appt was just to keep the cast happy?

Gee, I then wish they had done a lot MORE stuff 'to keep the cast happy'

TSFS was chock full of nonsense to keep the cast happy...

The pointless promoting of Scotty to 'Captain of Engineering" ??
Uhura & Sulu arguing and fighting with other starfleet personel just to make them look cool was just to keep them happy.

All the nonsensical 'busy work' they were given in TUC was truly 'just to keep the cast happy' but

the stuff in TWOK was just plain good writing and story telling that may have made the the cast happy as a side-effect.

By the way Meyer always did prefer the longer ABC/Director's cut.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Since the DC didn't seem to reach the rest of the world until recently, those extra scenes still feel somehow forced or shoehorned. That's my observation. A side effect of having no other version than the Theatrical for 20 years I suppose.

 

[Grant]

Yes, we in the US who had the ABC version for over 20 years were lucky.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Well, there is some question if there is ANY difference between the post-genesis tape debate between McCoy and Spock in the Director's cut vs the ABC cut..........

Possibly it's a different take, but some question if the dialogue is exactly the same.

I can't compare it right now, but s far as I can tell it's exactly the same dialogue and the same take. It might be a different take in the theatrical version, though.

Also, people have hoped for a pictures/screencaps of the alternate 'close-ups' version of the Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scene.

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

 

[ST-One]

Also, people have hoped for a pictures/screencaps of the alternate 'close-ups' version of the Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scene.

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

O, dear god! That's terrible.

 

[RyanKCR]

Also, people have hoped for a pictures/screencaps of the alternate 'close-ups' version of the Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scene.

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

O, dear god! That's terrible.

I like that verson better then the theatrical one. It feels more natural then the theatrical version.

 

[Data Holmes]

Also, people have hoped for a pictures/screencaps of the alternate 'close-ups' version of the Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scene.

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

O, dear god! That's terrible.

Indeed, though I think they used a different take of Kirk's "As a doctor..." admonishment to McCoy which was better.


Hey Oso, any chance you could show the stuff in engineering, I've heard that there was more of that scene in the ABC cut than the DC.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Also, people have hoped for a pictures/screencaps of the alternate 'close-ups' version of the Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scene.

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

O, dear god! That's terrible.

I agree. I prefer the theatrical cut in every way possible. Meyer's a good director-for-hire but he's hardly an auteur. The studio assembled a better film.

 

[Data Holmes]

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

O, dear god! That's terrible.

I agree. I prefer the theatrical cut in every way possible. Meyer's a good director-for-hire but he's hardly an auteur. The studio assembled a better film.

I don't know if I agree... I like the DC better.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Hey Oso, any chance you could show the stuff in engineering, I've heard that there was more of that scene in the ABC cut than the DC.

Which scene are you referring to?

 

[Data Holmes]

Hey Oso, any chance you could show the stuff in engineering, I've heard that there was more of that scene in the ABC cut than the DC.

Which scene are you referring to?

The inspection and the dialog by scott's nephew. I've heard he had even more lines in the abc cut. May not be true, but I was wondering.

 

[Oso Blanco]

The inspection and the dialog by scott's nephew. I've heard he had even more lines in the abc cut. May not be true, but I was wondering.

No, there are no additional scenes or lines there.

 

[ST-One]

I have uploaded the turbolift scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYlPifDUBg

O, dear god! That's terrible.

Indeed, though I think they used a different take of Kirk's "As a doctor..." admonishment to McCoy which was better.

Yes, That is from the Theatrical/DC-version (Notice the little artificial camera pan when Kirk activates the intercom). The sound and color-timing were different than the rest of this ABC-version of the scene.