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^^Let's not forget the rest of the world was ready to offer up their children to the 456 just as easily. I don't think the notion of feeding the less important members of society is specifically aimed at the UK, it's just a general observation on what most governments do at some stage, be they from the first second or third world.

Anyway, just watched Kinda. It's been years since Id seen this, and despite people saying it was really good, my abiding memories were of how lousy the TSS was, and how stupid people looked in pith hats. Interesting what a difference time makes, because I actually thought the TSS was rather good, indeed the whole setting in and outside the dome was rather well done, considering it was all indoors and probably cost £3.50 to make...and the pith helmets didn't bother me in the slightest.

Still amazed Richard Todd was in this, it's like Gary Cooper turning up in TOS or something...

Nyssa's absence is painfully done, be interesting to see how this would have worked with her and Tegan instead of Tegan and Adric, although Adric plays to type by siding with Hindle (ok he's definitely doing on purpose this time, but he's a sneaky little shit, this strangely makes him more interesting).

The serial isn't without problems, the Doctor doesn't seem too bothered that Tegan's alone in the jungle, although maybe he just thinks she'd nip back to the Tardis? I think the first two episodes are the strongest, the dream world Tegan finds herself in is very well done, extremely creepy, and when she's possessed by the Mara Janet Fielding is genuinely scary...shame she wasn't able to be the Mara for longer, cos once the Mara is in Aris it becomes a less threatening opponent (and it doesn't help that for those of us of a certain age we remember Aris as one of the presenters of That's Life...)

The cgi effects used for the snake at the end are a huge improvement, but as always kudos to the show for thinking big, even if they couldn't realise it.

Looking forward to seeing Snakedance now, and really surprised we haven’t seen the Mara in the new series yet, I think it'd fit in well.

One final point. Nerys Hughes...hubba hubba!
 
"Enlightenment" Episode One

I really don't like this era of Who at all--I find it almost impossible to get into the stories. I'm not really sure if I'm going to bother with 2-4, or just skip to something earlier.
 
"Enlightenment" Episode One

I really don't like this era of Who at all--I find it almost impossible to get into the stories. I'm not really sure if I'm going to bother with 2-4, or just skip to something earlier.

Enlightenment concludes the Black Guardian trilogy and I think you should see the entire story before you judge it.
 
"Enlightenment" Episode One

I really don't like this era of Who at all--I find it almost impossible to get into the stories. I'm not really sure if I'm going to bother with 2-4, or just skip to something earlier.

Enlightenment concludes the Black Guardian trilogy and I think you should see the entire story before you judge it.

I'll give it a shot.
 
^^Let's not forget the rest of the world was ready to offer up their children to the 456 just as easily.

A British writer can write that but he can't make it sound believable. Between logistically ungovernable countries like Afghanistan & theocracies like Iran, I think there's no way every country would submit to the 456. And while I can imagine the U.S. government succumbing in a fit of desperation during an emergency situation, I cannot see them doing it with such a smug sense of justification or doing it so systematically. It would be something more akin to: all-of-the-children-that-are-easy-to-gather-quickly, not kids-that-don't-test-well.

I saw The Seeds Of Doom last week and it's still as awesome as ever.

Certainly at this stage it sound very, very tempting to retreat back to the Tom Baker years.
 
I'm not quite sure which selection mode is worse...I'd like to hope that in a real life 456 situation neither would be applied, but then again what I love about CoE is that it is such a Kobyashi Maru of a scenario. I think for the British government the use of statistics was almost a relief, it made the situation feel less real, yet also more logical. It's obvious what RTD was making allusions to with this so I won't spell it out.

Anyway, back to Who. I've watched Snakedance now, and I think I have to agree with the majority (although not Robert "Dalek" Shearman) in that Kinda is way better than Snakedance. In fact as I was watching SD it occured to me that the two stories reminded me of the two Weeping Angels stories. In both cases an excellent first outing is followed up by a slightly more subpar one, but more than that, in both cases the nature of the menace seems to change and their mystery is lost somewhat. In Kinda the Mara feared mirrors, but in Snakedance it's retrograded to fearing a circle of mirrors, also the sequel lacks the surreality of the dark inside dimension. Also Tegan is less convincing here, I prefered Fielding's more organic, almost sexual and playful possesion of Kinda to this, which was more of a standard "I AM Evil!" They also seem to have dispensed with--or toned down--the bloody mouth look as well.

There are good parts though, its very nicely cast, the Doctor gets more to do in this one, as does Nyssa (which wouldn't be hard given she was asleep for 99% of Kinda). The scene in the fortune teller's tent is quite creepy, but by far the freakiest thing is Martin Clunes speaking with Janet's voice! Some of the sets are really good as well.

It isn't a bad serial, it just seems poorer in comparison to Kinda.

According to Bailey he almost wrote a 6th Doctor story, does anyone know if this would have featured the Mara as well? (despite being destroyed! Another thing I prefered about Kinda is that it implied--to me at least--that there was more than one Mara, whereas Snakedance seemed to be saying there was just one.)
 
I don't think Bailey's other story was going to feature the Mara; the "Lost Story" by him that Big Finish is producing doesn't, at any rate.

Big Finish did do a Mara story last year, about the last traces of it in Tegan's mind.
 
Aha, I might have to track that down (heresy I know but on the whole I'm not very interested in the audios--or at least not interested or wealthy enough to spend money on them I could spend elsewhere) but there are some things they do that interest me, and that sounds like it could be one of them.
 
I'd avoid it to be honest - it was by some way the weakest of the original three releases. The other two are definitely worth a listen (and I have high hopes for the upcoming second trilogy of 5th Doctor, Tegan, Turlough & Nyssa stories) but the Mara follow up wasn't great.
 
Saw the second ep of "Enlightenment." I liked it better than the 1st one. I can see there are some good ideas, but the execution is a let-down.

And I've realized that I hate the Doctor's hair here.
 
Finally watched the rest of "Enlightenment."

The verdict is the same: good ideas, terrifically flawed execution. The writer just gave them stuff they couldn't realistically put on film, plus there were just goofy things like a bodacious female pirate named Captain Rack.

I'm taking a break from the JNT stuff for a while and going back to some of the older (and newer) episodes.
 
I'm not quite sure which selection mode is worse...I'd like to hope that in a real life 456 situation neither would be applied, but then again what I love about CoE is that it is such a Kobyashi Maru of a scenario. I think for the British government the use of statistics was almost a relief, it made the situation feel less real, yet also more logical. It's obvious what RTD was making allusions to with this so I won't spell it out.

If there's something specific RTD was making allusions to, it escapes me at the moment. (Perhaps it's too specifically British?) Perhaps spelling it out would help.

Honestly, what makes "Children of Earth" so chilling is the utilitarian, systematic way in which the British government accepts the situation. It's also what makes it so difficult to watch, both emotionally and logistically. (The neighbors don't like it when I scream at the TV.)

Well, I finished "The Caves of Androzani." It's better than I remember. I don't think it's quite as good as its reputation would have me believe. However, it is a solid Robert Holmes outing.
 
Well maybe it just seemed obvious to me rather than it was, it just brought to mind the holocaust, how the deaths of millions became a very ordinary, very bureaucratic numbers game instituted and run by bland grey men and women rather than evil moustache twirling psychopaths, and all the more terrifying as a result.
 
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