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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x03 - "Starstruck"

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Immortality is fun until you realize that you are always leaving your loved ones behind.

That really depends on your outlook on life and people in general.
Biological immortality won't be forced onto people... and you certainly can't force someone you love to live indefinitely if they don't want to.

That said, I said to myself a long time ago that if I grow attached to people I care about but they chose NOT to take treatments that would allow them to live indefinitely in excellent health and youth... then that would be their choice and that for me, I will just have to 'let them go'.
So, to a degree, I keep a sort of a 'distance' between myself and others, so that I am able to 'let go' of them... and thus far it seems to work.
Obviously, this won't stop me from caring about people or trying to persuade them of the potential benefits, but final decisions are up to them, and I cannot allow myself to become 'bogged down' by decsions of others.

If they choose to have a finite lifespan... that's their decision.
 
That really depends on your outlook on life and people in general.
Biological immortality won't be forced onto people... and you certainly can't force someone you love to live indefinitely if they don't want to.

That said, I said to myself a long time ago that if I grow attached to people I care about but they chose NOT to take treatments that would allow them to live indefinitely in excellent health and youth... then that would be their choice and that for me, I will just have to 'let them go'.
So, to a degree, I keep a sort of a 'distance' between myself and others, so that I am able to 'let go' of them... and thus far it seems to work.
Obviously, this won't stop me from caring about people or trying to persuade them of the potential benefits, but final decisions are up to them, and I cannot allow myself to become 'bogged down' by decisions of others.

If they choose to have a finite lifespan... that's their decision.

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Meditation + active mental control go a LONG way in keeping perspective and not allowing yourself to 'fall apart' in the face of outliving people.

You can care about people and still let them go without this taking its toll on you.
Over time, you also 'move on' and divert your attention to other things that make your life meaningful... or even connect with new people (if you're a people person).

Movies (again) fail at this because the writers apparrently miss in grasping the fundamental reality of life: things and people change (they aren't static).
They project a sort of a 'static' personality onto people which doesn't really apply.
Movies are usually stories that seldom (practically never) happen in real life.
Even 'real life stories' are adaptations of what transpired and are not 100% accurate.

With biological immortality, health and youthfulness, people will inevitably learn new things... they will shape themselves into a 'next generation of people' continuously... in short, they won't have many problems moving on from those who chose to die.

Also, who says that you will have to suffer loss of that magnitude?
You realize that most people would take the ability to live indefinitely and in amazing health?
People always say 'I don't want to live forever'... but when the end comes they practically ALWAYS beg for more of life.
 
Depends on the person, not everybody is that 'Dynamic' & adaptable or flexible.

Yes, but since human behavior is shaped by the environment, living in one with biological immortality in the mix will inevitably influence people to become more dynamic, adaptive and flexible.
On a large scale, (and given the trends in uptake of various ways of life and/or technology), I'd say majority of the global population would opt to live indefinitely if given the chance.
 
Yes, but since human behavior is shaped by the environment, living in one with biological immortality in the mix will inevitably influence people to become more dynamic, adaptive and flexible.
Depends on the person, many people will adapt, but there will always be a noticeable group of people who don't change.

On a large scale, (and given the trends in uptake of various ways of life and/or technology), I'd say majority of the global population would opt to live indefinitely if given the chance.
I concur that a very large % would opt for biological immortality if it could be validated to work.

Proving that it works is the hard part, short of time travel and communication with one's self in the future.
 
Yeah, I love the future projections of human behaviors as if human behavior always changes. That's why I read things like Aristotle and find zero application in my real world life. He was just too different... /s
 
Deks, I'm not sure how old you are, but it never gets any easier. My mother-in-law is 89. She's got health problems, but is still sharp of mind and able to drive and live on her own. She's outlived a ton of her loved ones, including her husband and daughter. It's VERY rough on her. But I don't think she'd rather have "kept her distance" from people.

When I was young, I said I'd never go to a funeral because they were awful and depressing. I was gloriously clueless and arrogant. When my father-in-law died 15 years ago, I had to go and I learned they are for the people who are left behind to gather and comfort each other. It helps.

I'm 53 now and I've been to too many funerals and also not had funerals/wakes that should have happened because of COVID. The idea of living as long as my MIL is a little scary because of the thought of losing people and animals I love. But I'd rather have the love and lose it than never have it (to badly paraphrase Shakespeare).

Meanwhile, with biological immortality, does the human race keep having children? Do we end up in "Mark of Gideon"? IMO, everything has pros and cons, and I don't think this is any different.
 
Deks, I'm not sure how old you are, but it never gets any easier. My mother-in-law is 89. She's got health problems, but is still sharp of mind and able to drive and live on her own. She's outlived a ton of her loved ones, including her husband and daughter. It's VERY rough on her. But I don't think she'd rather have "kept her distance" from people.

When I was young, I said I'd never go to a funeral because they were awful and depressing. I was gloriously clueless and arrogant. When my father-in-law died 15 years ago, I had to go and I learned they are for the people who are left behind to gather and comfort each other. It helps.

I'm 53 now and I've been to too many funerals and also not had funerals/wakes that should have happened because of COVID. The idea of living as long as my MIL is a little scary because of the thought of losing people and animals I love. But I'd rather have the love and lose it than never have it (to badly paraphrase Shakespeare).

Meanwhile, with biological immortality, does the human race keep having children? Do we end up in "Mark of Gideon"? IMO, everything has pros and cons, and I don't think this is any different.

As I said, outliving people becomes a moot point when majority of people choose to live indefinitely as well.

If you are a 'people person', make an effort and seek out to connect with other people... younger ones even if you can/want to.

Plus, there are ways to pace yourself and be able to live with the premise you outlived those who passed away.
I'm 38 btw... but also had my fair share of experiences with death when it comes to other people (been to numerous funerals - even lost people I was very close to since I was a kid [family, friends, etc.] and I can tell you now that it didn't impact me almost at all because I already prepared myself for their possibility of dying well in advance - in fact the only being's death that hit me slightly more was that of our family dog... and even that didn't last very long - a couple of days really)... and as I said, I learned a long time ago to 'distance' myself emotionally from people just enough so that if they do die, I can live with it.
I also told myself I don't want to (and can't afford to) be bogged down by decisions of other people as its their lives and their decisions in the end... not mine.

I frequently think about death, other people dying, and even my friends and family because they all more or less 'resigned themselves' to the idea of dying... I decided to abolish the notion alltogether and told myself that 'death is NOT inevitable' (society seems to 'relish' this notion, and some people 'romanticise' it even - to me, that seems like a WASTE of life).

Maybe I'm different for choosing to distance myself from people, but it also works for me because I can't really connect with most other people in the first place (I am more of a loner - prefer even my own company, while others I can only really handle in specific quantities and smaller groups).

That, and I'm not religious to begin with (can't stomach that nonsense) - that kinda helps too because I immerse myself in science, 3D animation and other things.

As for whether humanity will continue to opt having children... well, it depends. Probably, but to a lesser extent.

An educated population has no need for 'population control' - so, no, we won't reproduce out of control (in fact, if you noticed, the countries with highest birth rates are also the poorest ones where basic necessities of life are not readily met or available to most - so due to the high mortality rates, people have more kids in an attempt to 'balance things out' - in more developed countries, birth rates are actually lower compared to the replacement line).

The longer the huamn life is and if you have access to basic necessities of life (including quality medical care), you will actually have LESS desire overall to have kids - also, if society were to STOP prompting people to keep having kids, that would also be helpful... religion promotes this ad nauseum... so does C(r)apitalism.

Personally, I never wanted kids and still don't (the notion was and continues to be apalling).
I don't particularly like kids (at least when it comes to the notion of having my own - shaping kids minds on the other hand might have some appeal which is why I'm considering a teaching position after my academia studies are done), and they are expensive (at least in the monetary system).

I ALWAYS recommend to people to first try adoption as opposed to having their own biological kids as there are too many children in dire need of decent homes (plus, I find it absurd that adoption raises too many barriers [financial and otherwise] for people who really want kids and are fit to be parents, yet those who have 0 inclination for parenthood and don't want kids to begin with have them in worrying amounts and then end up ruining their own and their kids lives).


P.S. I think we have gone WAY off topic here. :D But it would also be nice for Trek and UFP to finally implement biological immortality in the mix and not villify it or present it as 'boring' or 'dangerous' or 'whatnot'.
 
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Come back to us when you've hit your late 50's/early 60's and let's see just how stoic you'll still be about the loss of loved ones.

It's easy to impassive when your young.

(and yes, I plan to still be around here for another 20-30 years) :nyah:

People told me all my life 'you'll change your mind when you hit certain age'... I never did change my mind on things like marriage (which I still think is outdated and nonsensical) or having kids (I don't want any).

People spew nonsense all the time.
The weaker ones allow society to shape them... I refuse to let society impact me to such a degree (I gave society the middle finger a long time ago and I have NOT changed my mind for over 3 decades... most people 'give up' after a few months or a couple of years... if you manage to hold certain views for decades, and you SEE how stupidly most people behave, chances are you will work on maintaining that stance and not succumb to the stupidity - in fact, the more people say 'you will change your mind when....' the more I dig my heels in and hold my ground).

38 is young?
Well, to be fair, its not even 1 third (50), but people go through multiple decades of life not changing perspective on certain things, so don't tell me I'll change my mind on things when I'm rather certain I won't.
I already outlived a number of people (relatives and friens) who said the same thing as you did... and I hadn't changed my mind.
Here's a secret: I won't... and repeating nonsensical mantra such as 'just you wait'... doesn't have an effect... I'm thinking you are just trying to convice yourself.
Repeating a false statement doesn't make it accurate. It may be accurate for you and some other people, but definitely not everyone.

As for being stoic on the loss of loved ones... yeah, I was always stoic on this matter. In fact, I always reacted with laughter when I learned that close people I knew from a young age (friends and family members) died... and it didn't really affect me.

So don't tell me I will 'suddenly' start feeling different... because I'm pretty sure I won't change on this particular view.
I'll tell you what I told to everyone I know to date:
I have an eternity to live through.
You want to cease existing? Go right ahead. Its not my decision.
 
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