I found I just haven't cared about stuff like that since I was twenty-five.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 5x10 - "The New Next Generation"
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Yep. My take was always that the Franklin was launched as, I don't know, NW-05 or LX-07, and then was assigned a new number under the Federation Starfleet numbering scheme where the letters denoted general classification and not the specific class. Plus, it seemed that in ENT times, ships had either or both a familiar class name, like "Neptune," and a letter-name like "NX," so I never saw any problem with the idea of it being a Freedom-class that had those oversized hot-rod nacelles bolted on in the mid-to-late '40s for testing, when it had been designed with (and its sister-ships still had) Warp 3 engines.
I still get a twitch now and then. One of my friends on the other hand still goes nuts. I try to avoid trigger words like "Discovery" and "Burnham".
My last big hurrah in the continuity game was creating an explanation for the various Klingons. I went with the different races approach. Made a map with several island continents, (The home world was mostly water) each one the home of a different type of Klingon: Your pale Koloth types, your darker Kor types, vertebra ridges like from TMP and bumpy heads from SFS. I don't think TNG was out yet, but if it had been I would have add a continent for the super bumpy Worf types. Much better than the Augment virus!!!!! 
The story over multiple episodes is very very clear. I'm just glad LD fixed most of the problems within nutrek. One problem that has not been fixed though is the difference of Klingons from disco to SNW.*yawn*
I see that you didn't pay any attention to the story that was actually being told. Just the usual desperate grasping at straws from the usual people desperate for attention and to justify what they oh so desperately want to believe, despite the obvious reality of the situation. Just the usual pathetic nonsense from the usual suspects.
The episode showed there is a multiverse in the star trek. What we see in that last episode is LD is many different universes. There is nothing there to make us believe otherwise.
If this BBS shows anything, it is that there are very different types of Star Trek fans. And whether some like it or not, there is a sizable contingent that cares about canon / continuity and the lore / worldbuilding in good faith.
STLD hasn't had a firm 100% demarcation line on DISCOVERY / SNW vs TOS, but it has always supported that TOS visually happened. The same for that matter with PRODIGY, if not even more so. All this shows is that the "visual reboot" card isn't in play, and that in at least two universes in the multiverse, the Klingons really did look like that.
STLD hasn't had a firm 100% demarcation line on DISCOVERY / SNW vs TOS, but it has always supported that TOS visually happened. The same for that matter with PRODIGY, if not even more so. All this shows is that the "visual reboot" card isn't in play, and that in at least two universes in the multiverse, the Klingons really did look like that.
Or it was a fun little joke that was meant to stir a few feathers. Some fans just took it too far and decided to say it's proof positive of something they want to happen without really thinking it through. So now, all the fun of that little joke has been sucked outta the room by fans who just can't stand that something they hate is a part of something they love.
A fun little joke that shows the the visual reboot card isn't in play.
The truly sad part is that I've seen far more discourse online from certain elements of the fandom discussing that joke and what they think it means (it doesn't) than I have seen people actually discussing the episode and how Lower Decks ended on a high point.
They're just frothing at the mouth that maybe the dreaded Discovery (and SNW) has finally been kicked out of their super exclusive club.
It hasn't.
They're just frothing at the mouth that maybe the dreaded Discovery (and SNW) has finally been kicked out of their super exclusive club.
It hasn't.
At the end of the day, Mike McMahan spent enough time online to likely know what the implications of going there would be, and went there on the way out the door. And some people continue to really care about not caring.
So, that was part of the extra eight?
I'm just glad that Mike McMahon did this.
It solved the continuity issues for me and DISCO / SNW are "STILL CANON" IMO.
Just part of a parallel timeline due to Time Travel Shenanigans.
Ergo, everybody gets to tell their stories & be part of "Canon".
As "Canon" gets created, it adds to the rich tapestry by branching out the timelines a bit more, we get to see more things happen along with revisiting some events of the past.
It solved the continuity issues for me and DISCO / SNW are "STILL CANON" IMO.
Just part of a parallel timeline due to Time Travel Shenanigans.
Ergo, everybody gets to tell their stories & be part of "Canon".
As "Canon" gets created, it adds to the rich tapestry by branching out the timelines a bit more, we get to see more things happen along with revisiting some events of the past.
You know, I could have sworn Pegg said the Franklin was NX class in dialogue when I saw the film, but I can't find any transcript where he said that. My bad.
He definitely, 100% says it in interviews hyping the film. He mentions using Memory alpha to look up armamnets of "an NX-class ship" which made it to screen as the Franklin's weapons although "NX-class" isn't in the movie.
I do wonder if the Franklin was intended to be the Kelvinverse version of the NX-class.
We saw a model of the NX-Class in Admiral Marcus's office in Into Darkness.
According to the designer of the Franklin, he did not look at the NX-Class for inspiration. In fact the first version of the design had the nacelles under the ship, but they were moved so they could have the ship flat on the ground.
Why do you care so much? It's just fiction.
The Bible, where the word 'canon' originated, contradicts itself a lot.
Everyone cares, they just don't necessarily care the same amount about the same things. You've got makeup departments and costume departments and visual effects departments working their asses off to sell these imaginary realities, because they know that what they're doing matters to someone. Contradictions and retcons matter to me, that's how I am.
The Bible has had many translations & versions.
There isn't one 100% definitive Bible in many people's minds.
Canon-shmanon.
It's so weird to use the Klingon moment as some kind of grand proof of anything.
We've seen characters in the LDS style AND in TAS style. We've seen Boimler and Mariner in live action...how does one shot of a Klingon turning into another Klingon supposedly prove anything other than other realities also have "Disco Klingons"?
Ah, who cares?
We've seen characters in the LDS style AND in TAS style. We've seen Boimler and Mariner in live action...how does one shot of a Klingon turning into another Klingon supposedly prove anything other than other realities also have "Disco Klingons"?
Ah, who cares?
This.It's so weird to use the Klingon moment as some kind of grand proof of anything.
We've seen characters in the LDS style AND in TAS style. We've seen Boimler and Mariner in live action...how does one shot of a Klingon turning into another Klingon supposedly prove anything other than other realities also have "Disco Klingons"?
Ah, who cares?
Thank you.
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