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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"

Rate the series finale...


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I was disappointed with the Progenitor reveal. It just felt like it dragged the episode down and after all that we saw for this season for that scene just didn't feel worth it to me. Also, they really needed to write Moll better. Give her some agency or something. I still feel like I know nothing about her other than she Loved some Breen guy she met as a curior. I did like the Kovich reveal though but this is in no danger of passing All Good Things or What You Leave Behind (Or Terra Prime) for me.

The ending really did feel tacked on and a little overly sentimental for my tastes. Ok, so Detmer and Owo are not major characters, fine and it was nice to see them at the end. I was surprised Jett was treated the same way, and Notaro was in the main credits.

I would have given this a 7, but the ending kinda dragged so I'm giving it a 5.
 
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And that's a wrap. Definitely the weirdest season finale. They definitely used those 86 minutes and had some concepts in there that I never would've thought of. I don't know how to rate this. I think the addendum should've been its own episode.

I don't think I need to see a Discovery Season 6. I do, on the other hand, more than ever want to see a follow-up to "Calypso". Maybe in a TV Movie someday.

I'm glad they didn't have Moll fully come around to Burnham and Book's side.

There are a lot of things I thought they were going to do, but I'm going to judge the episode by what I saw, not what I thought they'd do. As it is, not the best series finale, but also not the worst.

I'll be around for a little bit, to tie up some loose ends and have some closing arguments on some various things, but then I'm all set. I'll sooner-or-later do a Season 5 Review. Then, after that, in a few months, you'll be able to find me in the DS9 Forum, where I'll be giving that series a complete re-watch this fall, along with Babylon 5, which I'll be watching in full for the first time and will be comparing and contrasting it to.

Before DS9/B5, I definitely need to re-watch DSC Season 5 from start-to-finish in a single binge. On a day off from work where I have no other commitments with friends or anything like that.
 
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Upon thinking about it, considering that L'ak's body was preserved and likely still had memories etc. before any brain (or Breen equivalent) decay, the Progenitor tech probably SHOULD have been able to revive him theoretically if it's as powerful as they said it was. Or even just recreate his synaptic patterns from any transporter records. Heck, we've seen people revived from death so many times in Star Trek (Vulcan katras anyone?) that the way they were gushing about the Progenitech at the end, it should have been possible.

Not impresssed by the hamfisted way that ending was tacked on. Not to mention it raised more questions than answers. Why erase the A? So Zora was expecting Craft all that time? (Didn't seem like it in the Short Trek) Honestly maybe this is something they should've left for Starfleet Academy.

So how should Discovery have ended?

Burnham: Oh, Agent, or is it Doctor, Daniels, I'm your biggest fan, I had no idea it was you all this time! I have one thing to ask you that I've always wondered about since I was a child reading about the NX-01. Who IS Future Guy?

Kovich: Well, he really was--

(roll credits. Cue countless Trek fans screaming in frustration)
 
It would have been hilarious if Moll had actually been right about how to use the device. Sure, just make a big triangle...
 
The epilogue was very disjointed and to be honest while I liked the tie-in to Calypso.........
(1) How is Disco jumping to deep space without a human navigator
(2) How will Michael get back from Ground Calypso-Zero
(3) Why is Rayner hugging Jo-Owo? They never actually met
(4) Where's Nilssen?

and
(5) "Agent Daniels - USS Enterprise"

Do we think the Kovich scene was the end of the original version or part of the epilogue.???
 
The rain fight was right out of Matrix 3 :D
Returning to the tranceworm sanctuary was nice.

Those ears! :D
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These were nice bembermerries that took just a second and didn't distract from anything!
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My favorite reveal
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Disco restored to previous look for Calypso
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(1) How is Disco jumping to deep space without a human navigator
They must've solved the technological problem behind it so that you don't need one anymore.

(2) How will Michael get back from Ground Calypso-Zero
Somebody must be there to pick her up and take her home.

So the scientists hid the tech for 800 years and left a trail of clues so it would be found by a worthy person who would destroy it? Seems like they could have saved a lot of trouble.
I don't think we know the entirety of the "Red Directive Mission", so we wouldn't know much about why it would be left there.

I'm definitely not a fan of those "Shakey Cam" fight scenes, that really wasn't necessary and a poor attempt to hide the bad fight choreography.

With this final ep, the events of "Calypso" would take place ~ Late 42nd century
 
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So the scientists hid the tech for 800 years and left a trail of clues so it would be found by a worthy person who would destroy it? Seems like they could have saved a lot of trouble.

I'm enough of an irony fan to appreciate this. Turns out the wise thing to do with the technology was....nothing. (I'm taking the ep. at face value here.) And if the scientists had known that, then they wouldn't have left any clues at all.. But the reason they left clues was precisely that they didn't know how or whether to use it.
 
Sleep deprived stream of consciousness thoughts.

I like the story at a very broad level, but unfortunately it didn't come together when it came to the details. The Breen and Moll was completely wasted, although I'm glad they didn't resurrect L'ak or Kwejian, the faith storyline with Culber kind of just... ended. Like it technically paid off, but there was no lesson learned from it for the character.

I'm also a bit tired of the alien info dumps at main character plot device, even though technically TNG and DS9 do it in their finales as well. I didn't hate it, but I feel like there must be a different way to do that kind of revelation nowadays. At least it wasn't a legacy character doing the info dump or a copy of Michael.

I have many nitpicks as well:
They forgot Adira was a trill again.

They bring back the OG bridge crew for a cameo, which is great, but then delete the new bridge crew from existence because they're not family I guess.

The direction of the fighting scenes was terrible.

Why did Daniels have Sisko's baseball? Did he literally go back in time to steal it, along with Gordi's VISOR, or is it implied that he worked with both of them and they gave him souvenirs?

Speaking of Daniels, I'm not too offended by it for the most part and actually smiled when he said his name. It ties into the story at least and doesn't feel completely shoehorned in like, well, Picard S3.

It's so weird. I do like Discovery S3-5, but it also feels like such a wasted opportunity. Literally a blank canvas to do anything you want with the Star Trek "brand" but without the baggage of worrying about continuity, and other than remixing some of the races a bit, it doesn't feel all that different. Even in the context of leveraging an exciting ancient alien legacy story, Star Trek Resurgence did a better job with how it was handled than this season.

I'm just confused about how I feel... because I actually do think Michael's arc is great and giving her the finale moment makes sense. It's just everything around that is so underwhelming. It's like someone gave me like a perfect Kobe steak, but served it ice cold.

Oh, I think the volume has lost its magic for me. I just couldn't help but feel that the entire portal place looked so fake. Compare that to the beach at the end. I get that you can do really cool things with it, but something about how it's been used lately makes it all feel about as worse as the Star Wars prequels and the incessant green screen. I was starting to feel it with SNW, but this kind of cemented it for me.
 
Any bets that ...

Captain Leto Burnham/Book turns up in Academy - it seems telling that we got told he was getting his own command, admittedly may have been a fake-out nod to the Picard finale, but never saw the ship he got.
 
So, Kovich never got a first name, but that's ok because his real name is revealed to be... Daniels, who ALSO has no first name! Oh well.

I hope that stupid shaky cam shit is gone for SFA. And the spinning camera. The worst parts of Discovery for me. It was especially stupid when it was just a discussion between Vance, Saru, and Nhan. Too many tedious fight scenes, over all.

Do you think the scene with the people hugging at the end was something that happened, or some kind of telepathic conference (presumably from Culber's telepathy, where he gained the powers in an offscreen adventure) or just a strange daydream by Burnham?

Anyway, a lovely show. Not perfect, but no show is. Weird for it to be over. I haven't felt like this since DS9 ended, since Voyager's ending was kind of "finally" with the stupid premise, and Enterprise had such a bad ending, and Picard didn't feel like a full show with how disconnected its seasons were. I feel like I'm leaving something behind for real.
 
I found it quite lovely, to be honest. I’ve had my share of frustrations with Disco over the years. There’s some dramatic lows in there, but some incredible highs too, and now that it’s over I feel incredibly satisfied. I don’t know, there’s probably a lot to nitpick in here, and maybe on subsequent watches I’ll do that, but when that last scene on the bridge happened with all the crew assembled one last time, I have to admit I got a little misty eyed.

Hell of a journey. It didn’t always pull it off, but I’m glad this show had the balls to go to some pretty weird and wonderful places.

Roll on Academy.

(As a side note, the Tilly and Rayner dynamic has been an unexpected delight of the season. If anyone important is listening, throw him in the Academy show, too.)
 
Do you think the scene with the people hugging at the end was something that happened, or some kind of telepathic conference (presumably from Culber's telepathy, where he gained the powers in an offscreen adventure) or just a strange daydream by Burnham?.
Given their ages "revert", I assume a memory. That reminds me, they brought everyone back except Nilsson.
 
Quite glad we saw (most of) the bridge crew again. I figured we probably would, but you never now until you know.

The epilogue really worked for me. The main episode, so to speak, was hit or miss. But this is still a middle-of-the-pack series finale for me, which isn't a bad thing. TOS and ENT had bad ones; VOY had a fine one. I'd label this maybe a notch above Voyager's; the presence of a "real" denouement helped tremendously.

Also, if you'd told me back in 2017 that we'd get an Enterprise cameo, but it'd be Daniels... :guffaw:
 
Quite glad we saw (most of) the bridge crew again. I figured we probably would, but you never now until you know.

The epilogue really worked for me. The main episode, so to speak, was hit or miss. But this is still a middle-of-the-pack series finale for me, which isn't a bad thing. TOS and ENT had bad ones; VOY had a fine one. I'd label this maybe a notch above Voyager's; the presence of a "real" denouement helped tremendously.

Also, if you'd told me back in 2017 that we'd get an Enterprise cameo, and it'd be Daniels...
It does lock them out of doing a Burnham revival series 30 years from now though. Or maybe it's a backdoor pilot. lol
 
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