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Sliders, that underrated 1990s sci-fi show

Qonundrum

Just graduated from Camp Ridiculous
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Anyone else remember this little gem from the 1990s?

Season 1 started out a bit lighthearted, but eked in some interesting themes and genuine fun.
Season 2 got more dramatic, but felt more well-rounded. It's a coin toss as to whether fans prefer seasons 1 or 2 as being their favorite. The Kormaggs are introduced in what is easily their best story, which also relies on "the big unstoppable bad" trope.
Season 3 morphs the show into "let's turn the leads into cardboard and chuck 'em into current movie plots." This led to cast changes and a bizarre series finale...
Season 4: Until The Sci-Fi Channel (Universal) bought the show and drove it into the ground with Kromagg Merde and the odd episode that wasn't focused on hyping up Kromaggs or the fact that Quinn is no longer just a nerd but someome real special and stuff, just like his kid brother, who have special parents and have the special ability to stop all Kromaggs forevermore, moohahaha, if they can do things just right... for more on this shlock, look up Red Dwarf and how Lister, Rimmer, and even Kryten also got one-upped from being characters to these pseudodeified stick figures. If you thought "SpecialSpaceJeebus" was a thing, add in some acid and speed and season 4' is the result.
Season 5: SpecialQuinn and SpecialBro wanted out, so they put in some not-too-bad treknobabble and found a genuinely neat way to bring in a new Quinn. The technology technician was also included to ensure the group remained a foursome. Some acting is hit or miss, as are a couple episodes, but the newfound arc/theme of finding the original Quinn (headcanon: NerdBoy and not SuperQuinn) wasn't bad. A shame they did that series finale, which is pokes too much at the audience but there's nothing better to do to drive away a fanbase or treat any audiences not matter how devoted as something Picard might say in French in TNG season two...



Some standout episodes to try to sit through (IMHO, YMMV, DASBT*?) include:

For season 1 (the other episodes aren't necessarily bad, IMHO none is):
* Pilot - a bit heavy-handed, but if the audience can't figure out the premise that they're in a parallel world, then the show is not for them. A shame since other episodes are a bit softer while still getting the point across and while being more entertaining.
* Fever - the Quinn of this world is patient zero, in a story using the old cliche sci-fi themes but it's still watchable and surprisingly dramatic
* Last Days - not as strong in some areas, but explored the possibility of an asteroid hitting the Earth. Oh, on this parallel world there's no A-bomb to safely destroy the thing from any safe distance.
* Eggheads - a parallel Earth where the intellectual are revered highly. As with a fair amount of season 1, it's rough around the edges with some of its social commentary, uses a couple cliches, but the humor is spot-on and the character interactions to the story keep driving this series along.
* Luck of the Draw - people have quite a nice lifestyle, and even accept a possible high cost for the lottery they must play.


For season 2 (the other episodes aren't necessarily bad (a couple I think are, but those are still generally better than what's to come later):
* Love Gods - a parallel world wiped out most of its population with a virus that kills males. Oh, as a neat little bonus, you'll find one of the Duras Sisters actresses in this one... you'll get Trek alumni from time to time in this series...
* El Sid - possibly controversial and has a few creative liberties, the suspense still won me over
* In Dino Veritas - Surprisingly good considering everything this one has to use as plot fodder. Jerry O'Connell opted to skip out of this episode to film the all-time movie classic, "Joe's Apartment", and the comparison is no-contest: Avoid the flick, watch this one twice in a row instead.
* Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome - they end up on an Earth that would be the most realistic given the least amount of goofy happenings. The double of Arturo in this world is used to rather good effect. Indeed, pay close attention to the end of this episode and later ones to notice the disturbing truth... Sorry, no spoilers in the OP but replies may contain them and that's A-OK for this 20,000 year-old show.
* Greatfellas - not as tough as it could have been, but Harold T Stone's favorite musician, Mel Torme (father of Tracy), appears.
* The Young and the Relentless - an okay episode buoyed by some fantastic humor
* Invasion - the first Kromagg episode was something creator Tracy Torme did not want to make, but comes across VERY solid. He also had to fight to get season 1 characters brought in as FOX did not want this continuity, which is unfortunate. But how Bennish works out well for both fans and any newcomers.


For season 3 (the other episodes are necessarily bad):
* Rules of the Game - sets up new themes for the quartet (some aspects work better than others) and employs a video game-style approach to the plot to demonstrate the allegedly tighter and fast-paced nature of the revamped season. I liked this one on its own enough despite the quibbles and "roll with it" moments, but the more un-grounded style of plotting starts in this season. YMMV.
* Double Cross - Quinn's got a double who appears later in the episode. It's one of season 3's few watchable episodes.
* The Guardian - due to some terrific technobabble and other bs, Quinn meets his younger self and tries to deal with ramifications that younger Q-Ball made.
* The Fire Within - perhaps too high-concept for some, understandably so, it still has a number of surprisingly good moments. Along with more cliches that season 3 would really go to generic extremes with. Along with overestimating the sheer power of 3.5" floppy disks...
* The Exodus - part 1 - don't let the name of the story's writer fool you, it was rewritten. Pt 2 is particularly un-fun, but for some, the series ends here. That's up to the individual viewer but the show does go on.


For season 4 (the other episodes may or may not be necessarily bad, many are better than season 3's average drek - especially when the Kromaggs aren't back to be diluted some more):
* Common Ground - worth it for Remmy alone
* Just Say Yes - amusing yet creepy take on the drug issue, where in this world if you don't have drugs on you then you get thrown in the slammer
* Lipschitz Live - half-baked parody of Jerry Springer


For season 5 (the other episodes may or may not be necessarily bad, if not unable to live up to potential) - note that Remmy gets prominence as the group's leader in this season and it's a nice change that works:
* The Unstuck Man - the show not only tries to recover its roots as well as cultivating a mission, it's also throwing in a yummy new Quinn and his hawt assistant. Some people are understandably hyperfocused on Quinn being only O'Connell, but there's enough potential in the new version.
* Applied Physics - effectively pt 2
* Please Press One - just as schlocky as every show using the same themes, but entertaining enough
* The Return of Maggie Beckett - Involving Maggie's double, liking the story hinges on your like of the character who was introduced in season 3.
* Requiem - Wade returns, with a coda and it's far more in line with the Kromaggs than the bulk of season 4's use of them combined
* Eye of the Storm - Dr Geiger and Quinn get some closure...
* The Seer - Not sure what they were really trying to do in this one, the idea of a parallel world that would be ours except Sliding is real in it and known by all is a lot to swallow. As usual, Cleavant Derricks still nails it as Remmy. The ending is, you guessed it, a cliffhanger and a potentially depressing one at that. But there's enough that elevates the story above and beyond the crap elements that it ought to be seen anyway. IMHO. Don't get me wrong, the vitriol fans had against it is generally not undeserved, but I have a soft spot for it anyway. Far more than the generic stuff that seasons 3 and to a lesser extent 4 did with the show.


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I think you'll find that there are a lot of fans of the show (myself included) and that there have been many threads here on the show over the years.

It's long since pruned but way back in the olden days (circa 2007ish maybe?), there was an long ongoing thread about the many behind-the-scenes issues, much of which came from TemporalFlux's extensive research on the topic (maybe even insider knowledge, I don't remember). It's a pity the thread (or threads since they couldn't be longer than 100 posts back then) no longer exists because I remember that being a huge eyeopener for me about how incredibly messy things got and how that effected the quality of the show and how certain actors left/fired (like John Rhys-Davies, Sabrina Lloyd, and Jerry O'Connell).

I haven't watched the show in many years but I remember loving the hell out of it, especially the first couple of years with the original cast. Some day I'll get back to it and watch it again.
 
Seasons 1 and 2 are great; after that...eh.

I like the episode where Quinn meets his female double (played by Zoe McLellan).
 
I watched the show, starting my teens, got really confused - but that wasn't just the series fault, but also the TV broadcast were out of order with long gaps.

All I remember - without looking stuff up - is basically the "TV remote" slider device, in the basement, Quinn Mallory, his GF, the Professor and "crying man" driving the red convertible. And I think one of Quinn's partents was dead or died.

Didn't the 4 "original" Sliders home to their "real" world once after a few seasons, but then the Kromags or whatever already invaded or whatever?

I think you'll find that there are a lot of fans of the show (myself included) and that there have been many threads here on the show over the years.

It's long since pruned but way back in the olden days (circa 2007ish maybe?), there was an long ongoing thread about the many behind-the-scenes issues, much of which came from TemporalFlux's extensive research on the topic (maybe even insider knowledge, I don't remember). It's a pity the thread (or threads since they couldn't be longer than 100 posts back then) no longer exists because I remember that being a huge eyeopener for me about how incredibly messy things got and how that effected the quality of the show and how certain actors left/fired (like John Rhys-Davies, Sabrina Lloyd, and Jerry O'Connell).

I haven't watched the show in many years but I remember loving the hell out of it, especially the first couple of years with the original cast. Some day I'll get back to it and watch it again.

Any chance for a top of your head bullet points that you still remember?
 
Well, I was going to link to Flux's old website which had much of it laid out...but it's defunct and the domain has been taken over by a limo company. :(

The Wikipedia article covers some of the issues but not in nearly as much detail as I remember reading. Long story short, there was a lot of meddling from Fox which lead to show co-creator Tracy Tormé (of TNG fame!) slowly losing control of his own show. A major source of the tensions came from executive producer David Peckinpah, who butted heads particularly with Tormé and Rhys-Davies, which I remember being cited as why Arturo had such a nasty ending.
 
Well, I was going to link to Flux's old website which had much of it laid out...but it's defunct and the domain has been taken over by a limo company. :(

The Wikipedia article covers some of the issues but not in nearly as much detail as I remember reading. Long story short, there was a lot of meddling from Fox which lead to show co-creator Tracy Tormé (of TNG fame!) slowly losing control of his own show. A major source of the tensions came from executive producer David Peckinpah, who butted heads particularly with Tormé and Rhys-Davies, which I remember being cited as why Arturo had such a nasty ending.

Not just Arturo. Wade was sent to the Breeding Camp because he thought it would be funny to punish the actress who he didn't like.

For me I loved the first 2 seasons. I even like most of season 4 because they did try to move away from the movie ripoffs of season 3. My mom loves the show as well so it is nice to have something to watch with her.

My 5 favorite episodes would be

1 The Pilot
2 The one where they think they are home and you got the other Arturo
3 The one with a asteroid coming
4 The one where young people control the world and old people are kind of treated like second class citizens.
5 The episode were Constitution was removed by J Edgar Hoover and the people live in a police state.
 
I really loved the show when it first aired. I have all the seasons on dvd. (Took forever for the final 2 seasons to be released.)

FOX meddled hard in season 3, and ultimately dropped it. Then SciFi picked it up, but they eventually stopped caring about in season 5. I remember reading one of the producers wrote a script that had several scenes that SciFi would not allow at all by a mandate, just to see if they bothered to pay attention. Turns out they he was right.

For me, what brought down season 4 was casting Charlie, Jerry's brother. I'm sorry, but his acting was terrible. This is definitely a case where nepotism is a bad thing.

All in all, a fun show. I can actually see it being rebooted now, despite my dislike of reboots in general.
 
Not just Arturo. Wade was sent to the Breeding Camp because he thought it would be funny to punish the actress who he didn't like.
Ah, yes, I remember that now. Thanks for the reminder. I knew there was conflict between him and Sabrina Lloyd but I couldn't remember if it was on the same level as Rhys-Davies.
 
Sliders was an amazing concept, but the show varied between awesome and awful with far more of the latter than the former by the time it was all said and done.

A Sliders reboot today could be one of the all-time greats.
 
Ah, yes, I remember that now. Thanks for the reminder. I knew there was conflict between him and Sabrina Lloyd but I couldn't remember if it was on the same level as Rhys-Davies.

I clocked out sometime when Rhys-Davis left the show ( was and am a big fan of his) and read that thing with the breeding camps years ago online - what a horrible and petty way to write someone out of the show ( reminds me of the Charlie Sheen/Chuck Lorre feud in Two and a Half Men, that also ended with a petty dig from Lorre in the show finale).

At it's time it was really great, a good companion to Quantum Leap and i liked it lot. To this day whenever i see Jerry O'Connell somewhere i am reminded of Sliders.
 
Didn't Quinn and Arturo accidentally introduce an invasive genetically engineered wasp/hornet to another world? Nightmare!
 
Season 1 was good. Season 2 was decent, but suffered by the network's insistence that alternate history alone wasn't "sci-fi" enough and they had to throw in psychic powers and dinosaurs and random weirdness, which undermined the concept. Season 3 had some worthwhile stuff in the first half ("The Guardian" in particular), but degenerated into one of the worst things I've ever seen on television. The season 3 finale was an ordeal to watch.

Season 4 was excellent, much better than its reputation. I don't think I've ever seen a show sink so far yet rebound so well. Sure, O'Connell's brother was a weak actor, and adding him to the show was pure nepotism and a bad idea. But season 4 brought in actual science fiction writers who knew what they were doing, so the concepts and storytelling were vastly improved from seasons 2-3. And the character work improved too. Kari Wuhrer's characterization was all but nonexistent in season 3, but in seasons 4-5, with good material to work with, Wuhrer proved for perhaps the first time in her career that she was actually a really good actress and not just a sexpot.

Season 5's writing wasn't as strong as season 4's, but I'd still put it above most of seasons 2 & 3. The circumstances that brought about the cast changes were unfortunate. But despite that, the season 5 ensemble cast really clicked and had a terrific rapport and chemistry. It seemed like they really enjoyed being together, so they were very enjoyable to watch.
 
Fever - the Quinn of this world is patient zero, in a story using the old cliche sci-fi themes but it's still watchable and surprisingly dramatic
I was surprised this episode didn't get more "they predicted Covid" mentions during lockdown. I kept thinking about it especially the door that takes your temperature.
 
Parthenogenesis? I wouldn't put such a modification past particularly nutty human scientists.

Google google...

"Mating habits of wasps"

Boys have sperm.

One queen per hive.

Unfertilized eggs turn into boys.

Girls store sperm for later in a sack after many Wasp orgies, like a collection plate in church but with insect jizz.

Not sure how long they can store that sperm for, maybe a week, maybe months, or how big the sperm sack gets before the queen is immobile, or why they would want to create too many queens, since they will not get along, and then fight for resources.

Its a conscious decision to fertilize an egg and make a new queen.

A queen can make infinite drones spermlessly, and then she can bang her kids to make more queens.

But yes...

Mad scientists.

Hmmm?

Maybe its an extinction device employed by the Cromags?

Same with the Tidal wave episode.

Kill all humans, eat their eyes, and then strip mine the planet.
 
Didn't Quinn and Arturo accidentally introduce an invasive genetically engineered wasp/hornet to another world? Nightmare!

Yep but of course you don't see it happen but you know it will eventually happen on that world. They let a few genetically engineered wasps fly through the portal with them when they got to what I guess you could call Hippie World. America was at war with Canada I think.
 
Yep but of course you don't see it happen but you know it will eventually happen on that world. They let a few genetically engineered wasps fly through the portal with them when they got to what I guess you could call Hippie World. America was at war with Canada I think.

With Sliders, there were a surprising amount of moments where - upon reflection - you come to realize a subtle bit of horror was slipped into an episode.
 
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