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Lost 6x14: "The Candidate"

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While upset over the deaths, I found Sun and Jin's death together very much in the vain of Korean dramas. Just when you think there's going to be a happy ending...there isn't. And after my kneejerk reaction, I love that the writer's had the guts to do something like that.

Now if they touch Bernard and Rose...they's be askin' for trouble.

Depends on the drama...Dae Jang Geum/Jewel in the Palace had a happy ending --yet the characters never even kiss on screen!

With Bernard & Rose, and of course Penny & Desmond...that's just way too many couples living happily ever after (if Bernard & Rose weren't Adam & EVe), so why Jin & Sun get the short end of the stick.

Also, it's also ironic that after this big fight to find each other, they lose each other forever. If Sun had just let Jin go (i.e. not come to the Isalnd in the first place), they all might be re0united as a family. We'll see...



My prediction is that the flashsideways will end with all of them uniting and going back in time and starting a third reality...where MIB loses, and "happily ever after."
 
And why did dunking him in the water neutralize him?

Yeah, that kinda went nowhere.

Well wasn't there something about him not being able to "fly" across the water in Smoke form?

Maybe water is his weakness? Can't switch to smoke when in, on, over or covered in it?

Maybe the water acts like his prison walls? Maybe that is why his "prison" is an island in the first place?

Sounds kind of lame, but seeming more and more likely.
 
Well, he seems pretty far seeing. He had to have planned for someone to get shot. Otherwise, Jack wouldn't have gone into the sub. Likewise, Jack wouldn't have opened his backpack either.
 
It just came to me...last scene of the series....Jack and "Locke" on the beach talking and Locke says "I'm going to kill you". Jack just smiles it off....LOST....
 
Imagine if he smiled and there was an orange wedge stuck in his mouth like when Locke did it back in season 1

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One thing we do know is that Jin wasn't a candidate since he was effectively able to commit suicide. I guess it was Sun's name.
I think it's the opposite, actually. I think the reason Jin traveled back in time with the others, but Sun didn't was because she wasn't a candidate. At some point after he traveled through time, he was no longer a candidate, as Sayid clearly no longer was.

Of course, Vincent traveled through time, so he must have been a candidate as well. Hey, why not? The job is essensially to be a watchdog.
 
One thing we do know is that Jin wasn't a candidate since he was effectively able to commit suicide. I guess it was Sun's name.
I think it's the opposite, actually. I think the reason Jin traveled back in time with the others, but Sun didn't was because she wasn't a candidate. At some point after he traveled through time, he was no longer a candidate, as Sayid clearly no longer was.

Of course, Vincent traveled through time, so he must have been a candidate as well. Hey, why not? The job is essensially to be a watchdog.
What does travelling back in time have to do with being a candidate? Juliet and Daniel travelled, and they weren't candidates.
 
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Wow. I've only just watched this ep. Was kinda scared to...got a whiff that there were "serious" major character deaths...I figured there's a good chance the producers will take a scythe to the characters in the final eps...but I gotta go with "Excellent" anyway. This one re-defines "powerful."

I would NEVER have guessed the writers would kill Jin and Sun at the same time. What about their kid?!? This is getting scary...nobody's safe! :eek:

On a lighter note, I was amused to see the old trope of the countdown read-out being used in a sensible way - to terrorize and mislead the victims, not to help them figure out how long they have to defuse the bomb. :D (FlashFoward recently had a similar smart use of the countdown - is this some kind of trend?)

This ep really got me thinking about what characters will be a kick in the gut when/if they buy it. For me, it boils down to Sawyer (I was really worried for him in this ep) and, yes, Jack. Self-pitying, self-involved annoying crybaby that he may be, Jack has really grown on me.

Here's hoping the flash-sideways really are the afterlife - those characters really have got to be the "real" ones, not alternates. Even if they're dead, they can still be "real." A reset-button would be mega-aggravating! Enough of that in Star Trek!

So, next week: will the three remaining candidates (Hurley, Sawyer, Jack) realize that Smokey's next logical move is to use Kate against them? Threaten to kill her unless Saywer kills Jack or vice versa? And Claire is another potential hostage, to use on her brother or old softy Hurley. Even Sawyer might buckle. He's been through the wringer and then some, and may be suicidal when he wakes up, thinking he's responsible for Sayid, Jin and Sun's deaths.
 
What does travelling back in time have to do with being a candidate? Juliet and Daniel travelled, and they weren't candidates.
Juliet and Daniel were candidates. Juliet was #58 and Daniel was #101. Charlotte was probably either #104 or 140 (The name Lewis appears twice), and Miles was #171.

It was theorized that it was the remaining candidates who traveled through time as an explanation for why they all did and others (like Richard and the Others, Sun, and most of the Ajira survivors) didn't travel through time when the island was moved. Assuming the "Kwon" on the list did in fact refer to Jin, then it means everyone who wasn't crossed off the list when we saw it at the beginning of this season had traveled back in time last season.
 
If Jack were willing to let Jin, Sayid and Bernard die a few seasons ago, I don't think that tactic would be guaranteed to work on him.
 
What does travelling back in time have to do with being a candidate? Juliet and Daniel travelled, and they weren't candidates.
Juliet and Daniel were candidates. Juliet was #58 and Daniel was #101. Charlotte was probably either #104 or 140 (The name Lewis appears twice), and Miles was #171.

It was theorized that it was the remaining candidates who traveled through time as an explanation for why they all did and others (like Richard and the Others, Sun, and most of the Ajira survivors) didn't travel through time when the island was moved. Assuming the "Kwon" on the list did in fact refer to Jin, then it means everyone who wasn't crossed off the list when we saw it at the beginning of this season had traveled back in time last season.

But what about Bernard & Rose? And Vincent? And all the other 815 survivors who also traveled through time? Are you telling me that every person that was on 815 was a candidate? Frogert was a candidate?

because they all traveled through time as well.
 
If Jack were willing to let Jin, Sayid and Bernard die a few seasons ago, I don't think that tactic would be guaranteed to work on him.

Jack hadn't figured things out then: realizing that certain people among them couldn't be killed by Smokey, and in any case, it wasn't Smokey pulling the trigger.
 
But he's also figured out the bigger picture: that individual lives are not as important as what the island needs. That means it's even harder to manipulate him now.
 
But what about Bernard & Rose? And Vincent? And all the other 815 survivors who also traveled through time? Are you telling me that every person that was on 815 was a candidate? Frogert was a candidate?

because they all traveled through time as well.
Many of the Oceanic 815 survivors were candidates. You can check out all the known candidates here.

As far as Vincent... I would just assume he traveled through time for the same reason objects with our Losties traveled through time. I mean, didn't they take a boat through time in one episode last season? Not to mention their clothes and everything they were holding onto. Maybe Vincent was simply an object that was pulled through time with our guys.
 
But he's also figured out the bigger picture: that individual lives are not as important as what the island needs. That means it's even harder to manipulate him now.

What if Smokey threatens to kill Kate or Claire if Jack doesn't kill Sawyer or Hurley? I can see that scenario happening before the end of the show.
 
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