I'm thinking that's the point. This group, That group, shifting of pieces, like backgammon
Lost 6x14: "The Candidate"
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Holy freaking crap.
I bawled my eyes out when Sun and Jin died. I was sure they'd kill off one or the other; both was shocking (to me, anyway). Sayid wasn't Sayid any more so his death didn't affect me as much as it might have otherwise, and I've never given enough of damn about Lapidus to care if he's dead or not. And good ol' Sawyer - his arrogance and stupidity strikes again.
As for the rest... The idiocy of people waving rifles around near planes and in submarines struck me, as did the thing with Kate reaching through the bars for the keys - I could be charitable and assume she (and everyone else) was panicking, but yeah. Dumb, all of them. The way Claire jumped out of that chair after talking to Jack made zero sense for a woman supposedly that pregnant. Those nitpicks aside, so much seemed to happen in this ep that I'm not sure what (else) to think of it.
I bawled my eyes out when Sun and Jin died. I was sure they'd kill off one or the other; both was shocking (to me, anyway). Sayid wasn't Sayid any more so his death didn't affect me as much as it might have otherwise, and I've never given enough of damn about Lapidus to care if he's dead or not. And good ol' Sawyer - his arrogance and stupidity strikes again.
As for the rest... The idiocy of people waving rifles around near planes and in submarines struck me, as did the thing with Kate reaching through the bars for the keys - I could be charitable and assume she (and everyone else) was panicking, but yeah. Dumb, all of them. The way Claire jumped out of that chair after talking to Jack made zero sense for a woman supposedly that pregnant. Those nitpicks aside, so much seemed to happen in this ep that I'm not sure what (else) to think of it.
The episode had many great moments, but the deaths kinda fell flat - I'm not sure why. I'd have expected to be much more moved by the deaths of those 3 characters I really loved. Maybe a part of this was the unexpectedness of Sayid's death, and the predictable melodrama of Sun and Jin's death. (She gets stuck, Go and save yourself! No, my love, I'll stay with you... I have definitely seen that one before.) I also really couldn't stand Sun and Jin speaking English to each other, it really took me out of the scene every time. The show has never had a problem with using subtitles before, so I really don't understand why they've reversed to the "everybody speaks English" rule.
I really enjoyed the flashsideways, however. In fact, for most of the season, I've enjoyed them more than the Island story, which has become rather predictable (Smokey bad - Rocks fall, everyone dies). Well, maybe not Jack, because he's the designated hero. But this is the first time that I don't really have a problem with that.
The most shocking twist of this season has been...
brace yourself...
JACK HAS BECOME THE MOST LIKABLE CHARACTER!
Really, I never would have believed it 3 years ago, or even a year ago.
I really enjoyed the flashsideways, however. In fact, for most of the season, I've enjoyed them more than the Island story, which has become rather predictable (Smokey bad - Rocks fall, everyone dies). Well, maybe not Jack, because he's the designated hero. But this is the first time that I don't really have a problem with that.
The most shocking twist of this season has been...
brace yourself...
JACK HAS BECOME THE MOST LIKABLE CHARACTER!
Really, I never would have believed it 3 years ago, or even a year ago.
I get what you mean but Lost has always been about the little things. I also ment the cave/under the wall when smokey attacks the men. NotLocke steals himself away, very purposely as not to be seen making the transformation.
The most shocking twist of this season has been...
brace yourself...
JACK HAS BECOME THE MOST LIKABLE CHARACTER!
Really, I never would have believed it 3 years ago, or even a year ago.
You know, you're right. For years now I've gone from either not caring about Jack and Kate to intensely disliking both.......I still can't stand Kate and hope she bites it very soon but Jack in the sideways reality has been a great guy and on the island world has shifted almost completely over to the man of faith role, even almost defending the real Locke. I'm surprised to say Jack really has become one of the better characters of Season 6.
Checkmate
Commodore
Candidates can be killed by most anyone or anything. It's just not something they can do to themselves (which is really confusing since Sawyer's actions shouldn't have had done a thing to hurt them; and who knows, maybe it wouldn't have if Sayid didn't run off with it), nor by Smokey. Ben wouldn't have any trouble killing them, considering he had no trouble doing it to Jacob.
Why Jack thought Sawyer's toying with it would change anything is beyond me. By his (and the established show's) logic, neither Smokey's bomb nor Sawyer fiddling with it should have let it actually detonate and kill any of the candidates.
One thing we do know is that Jin wasn't a candidate since he was effectively able to commit suicide. I guess it was Sun's name.
Why Jack thought Sawyer's toying with it would change anything is beyond me. By his (and the established show's) logic, neither Smokey's bomb nor Sawyer fiddling with it should have let it actually detonate and kill any of the candidates.
One thing we do know is that Jin wasn't a candidate since he was effectively able to commit suicide. I guess it was Sun's name.
With all the deaths early in the season and late last season, I've been figuring for a while that they were going to kill off many of our beloved characters all to finish with some type of giant reset at the end. Wouldn't that be great for all the characters we've known and lost over the 6 years to be brought back again? Boone, Shannon, Anna-Lucia, Libby, Eko, Charlie, etc, etc, etc. I can only hope they will all appear in the finale.
I actually think that the only two "firmly" established rules (and that is a rather loose "firmly" since we only seem to have some peoples word on it) is that:
A) Smokie can't kill any of the candidates himself.
B) People "touched" by Jacob can't kill themselves.
Remember, Richard isn't a candidate but he still couldn't kill himself, he wanted Jack to do it. Jack lit the dynamite, but stayed, so the dynamite fuse went out. Not killing Jack (and also, by proxy Richard). So being a candidate isn't the only way to be safe from suicide.
But apart from those two "rules" everything else is up for grabs.
So, there is a good chance that the bomb wouldn't have gone off, like the dynamite, if Sayid hadn't run away with it because Sawyer was standing right next to it and Sawyer was the one who triggered it (like Jack lighting the dynamite fuse).
But another thought to factor into those "rules" is about the "Island's" wishes. Apparently Michale wasn't able to kill himself either, because the Island "wasn't done with him". Ben also often mentions stuff about the "Island" wanting something, being done with someone.
So does the island have it's own rules and powers or is all of that really just an extension of Jacob's powers and abilities? When Ben talks about the "island being done with someone" is he unwittingly talking about Jacob being done with someone?
Did Jacob ever touch Michael? Is that why Michael couldn't kill himself or was it the Island?
If the Island also has powers/abilities over life and death then some of those rules above might be flexible. Is the Island's influence stronger then Jacobs? If Jacob touches someone so they will be safe from dying, but the Island wants them dead, what happens?
What causes someone to be crossed off the "list"? Sayid apparently was able to kill himself by running off with the bomb (unless since Sawyer triggered the bomb and Sawyer could kill Sayid, then jacob's power wouldn't protect him) does that mean Sayid was off the "list" after he died earlier and came back "wrong"?
I would really like to find out the "rules" of all of this who can live, die, commit suicide, etc... before the show ends, but I feel they may never go into enough detail to full answer al of the questions about it.
I think they'll let Kate live. You know, as a valentine to the fans.
Yay for me!
Works for me, too.
Maybe that's the real reason behind Darlton going into hiding after the finale airs.I think they'll let Kate live. You know, as a valentine to the fans.
There was some dodgy dialogue in the early half of this episode, I thought. It's almost as if the writers focused so much on the big moments towards the end that they didn't bother trying to polish the earlier parts of the episode.
Sayid said "it's going to be you" before he ran off with the bomb. So yeah, signs point to this.
I know I'm in the minority but this episodes was just average for me.
Too many deaths all at once to really take it all in.
Sayid's resurrection now makes no sense. What was the purpose in bringing him back, and who did it?
Sun and Jin ending was very good, but why did neither of them think bout the child? Sun was completely out of character by not insisting that one of them live for her.
Why was the pilot ever in this show? He did nothing, then got killed by a door.
Too many deaths all at once to really take it all in.
Sayid's resurrection now makes no sense. What was the purpose in bringing him back, and who did it?
Sun and Jin ending was very good, but why did neither of them think bout the child? Sun was completely out of character by not insisting that one of them live for her.
Why was the pilot ever in this show? He did nothing, then got killed by a door.
While I never thought he was good, I did assume his goal was to leave with them (basically, he just needed them off the island, not that he wanted them dead). I had hints otherwise when I saw him hand Jack the backpack, but didn't really confirm it until they were in the water.
BTW, voted excellent. Undeniably tense and powerful episode. In that scene with Jin and Sun, I was Jin. Holding hope until the last second before giving it up for sorrow.
One thing I'm confused about is what exactly did Smokey think would happen? He couldn't have known Jack would go rooting around in the pack and find the bomb and Sawyer would try to defuse it and set it off accidentally ... could he? What if the bomb had ticked away unnoticed in the pack, would it even have exploded? Based on Jack's theory, no.
