Why did it need to be "Birth of the Federation?"

[HotRod]

I see the Daedalus as the next generation successor to the NX class, building on the experiences (and failures) of that ship to build a superior starship. Examining the multi-year, slow, construction of the predecessor, and then designing a vessel that could be built in multiple months, not years.

I still prefer to think of it as a sorta mid generation option. Something advanced enough that it wouldn't be pure cannon fodder, but simple enough to build that you can pump them out as a significant pace. They wouldn't be as advanced as the top of the line NX Class, but still powerful enough that they can pack a punch in numbers. They were the Sherman tank of their day.

We do know that the NX class was the single ship type that could venture forth into interstellar space, Earth had other ships, but the Enterprise was the first to able to go anywhere at a reasonable rate of speed. During the Xindi incident, Earth didn't have a fleet to send.

We know that they had other classes of ships capable of at least warp 4. Yes, warp 5 is what seemed to make interstellar exploration more reasonable, but if the war was mostly a defensive one, a fleet capable of warp 4 wouldn't be entirely useless. Plus, we don't really know what happened during the war. For all we know, the fleet was upgraded with better engines based on the experience of the NX Class. We know from Enterprise that it was possible to replace an outdated engine with a newer one, at least on civilian Freighters.

Problem with a single subject season is if that single subject doesn't interest the viewers the show loses audience numbers. Season three after half a dozen episodes desperately needed to move on.

Usually I would agree with you. Single subject seasons have never really worked for me. But I do believe the sole exception was season 3 of Enterprise. It kept my attention throughout the entire season.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Still not a fan of the ball and cylinder design for the " Daedalus." Looks awkward and wrong. Oddly enough, I love the Discovery from 2001.

 

[somebuddyX]

I must have missed this, what is it?

C1-21 is the registry of the ship on the cover of the original Chronology. It's also called Bonaventure and is the ship that inspired the Phoenix in design and place in history.

 

[Snowdrop82]

For me I really enjoyed the Federation being formed at the end of the show. I would have also liked another show that takes place even earlier, with only the Humans and Vulcans as Earth developed its first interstellar colonies.

 

[E-DUB]

Because, if you're committed to a prequel, not making it "Birth of the Federation" is kind of dumb. That's a story folks wanted to see and maybe one of the reasons for ENT's low ratings was that it wasn't that.

 

[Orac]

"Birth of the Federation" reminds me of "Birth of a Nation" I don't think it's something the writers of Star Trek should be alluding to.

 

[HotRod]

"Birth of the Federation" reminds me of "Birth of a Nation" I don't think it's something the writers of Star Trek should be alluding to.

That's a bit of a stretch. Birth of the Federation is a term that has been used by Trekkies for decades. Hell, there's an old PC game called Star Trek: Birth of the Federation.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Back in 2001, people hated the show, because it wasn't Birth of the Federation. Why did it need to be that?

Why the hell NOT?

 

[Dukhat]

For me I really enjoyed the Federation being formed at the end of the show.

You mean all five seconds of it?

Because, if you're committed to a prequel, not making it "Birth of the Federation" is kind of dumb. That's a story folks wanted to see and maybe one of the reasons for ENT's low ratings was that it wasn't that.

If they felt the need to make a prequel but couldn't handle the responsibility of showing the formation of the Federation, they could have made a show about the Enterprise-B, because then I wouldn't be expecting stuff that they couldn't deliver on.

 

[Dukhat]

Why the hell NOT?

The dude's not here anymore.

 

[Oddish]

I eould have been fine with it just showing how the adventures of the first Enterprise crew led to the Federation forming. Problem was that the temporal cold war made it feel like a bootstrap paradox.

 

[Tenacity]

Why the hell NOT?

Because when it comes right down to it the Federation isn't a important part of Star Trek. Yes, it's sort of in there, and a very few episodes out of 800 feature it, however Star Trek doesn't really need it.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Because when it comes right down to it the Federation isn't a important part of Star Trek. Yes, it's sort of in there, and a very few episodes out of 800 feature it, however Star Trek doesn't really need it.

It depends on the story I guess. Stsrfleet is more interesting to me though. They are really the heart of the federstion anyway. Along with the Vulcans and their science academy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because when it comes right down to it the Federation isn't a important part of Star Trek. Yes, it's sort of in there, and a very few episodes out of 800 feature it, however Star Trek doesn't really need it.

It provides some background and weight to the stories being told. Starfleet is much the same way. When the franchise focuses too much on either one rather than the ship and crew it can lose its way.

 

[Tenacity]

They wouldn't be as advanced as the top of the line NX Class

Why when facing war with a interstellar technological species like the Romulans, would Humans deliberately build a lessor advanced starship than they already had? The Daedalus would be state of the art in every way, and yes would be designed to be built in large numbers and quickly. Unlike the NX class being built laissez-faire, perhaps for budgetary reasons.

but if the war was mostly a defensive one, a fleet capable of warp 4 wouldn't be entirely useless. Plus, we don't really know what happened during the war

We know that the war was able to push the Romulans back to the edge of their own home star system.

That doesn't sound like defensive, it sounds like Earth went on the aggressive. Not some little skirmish, more a massive World War Two level of effort. And it was bad enough that a century later there were still Earth outposts monitoring "the border."

Hypothetical on my part, one way to reconcile is that Starfleet wasn't the only, or largest, of Earth's various and numerous fleets of defense/exploration starships. Resulting in the Earth/Romulan war being fought by a Earth Interstellar Defense force whose organization Starfleet was a minor part of.

The show Enterprise never made it clear what Starfleet's upper ultimate authority was. Was United Earth Space Probe Agency the entirety of Earth's nations, or only a few?

Q said in the first TNG episode that after the third world war it wasn't only United Earth, there was also a New United Nations.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The show Enterprise never made it clear what Starfleet upper ultimate authority was. Was United Earth Space Probe Agency the entirety of Earth's nations, or only a few?

As an agency of the United Earth, it would be all of them.

 

[HotRod]

Why when facing war with a interstellar technological species like the Romulans, would Humans deliberately build a lessor advanced starship than they already had?

Same reason the allies made a crap ton of Sherman tanks instead of making something equal to a Panther or Tiger, they were cheap, easy to build and they crank them out in massive numbers. Same with the Victory and Liberty ships.

We know that the war was able to push the Romulans back to the edge of their own home star system.

We do?

 

[Tenacity]

As an agency of the United Earth, it would be all of them.

But how many nations were in United Earth? When the United Nations was first formed it was 51 countries, not all.

We do?

The Neutral Zone ("the border") was immediately next to the Romulan home system.

 

[HotRod]

But how many nations were in United Earth? When the United Nations was first formed it was 51 countries, not all.

The Neutral Zone ("the border") was immediately next to the Romulan home system.

And? Still doesn't mean Earth brought the fight that close to Romulus.

 

[Tenacity]

And? Still doesn't mean Earth brought the fight that close to Romulus.

And it's where it is because?

How would a defensive strategy by Earth place the war's treaty line just outside the Romulan home star system?

How would a defensive collection of Earth's technological second rate starships accomplish this? Against a military force commanded by Vulcans in all but name, using starship technology that was centuries old.

Maybe you could explain your position?