And THAT is the wonderful thing about movies, shows, literature, music, any form of artisinal expression. We all love what we love, and others might like what we dislike. And that's great, because everyone finds something in everything.
Have Adira and Gray spilt up?
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And THAT is the wonderful thing about movies, shows, literature, music, any form of artisinal expression. We all love what we love, and others might like what we dislike. And that's great, because everyone finds something in everything.
Were they ever actually together? You'd never know it, they're more like siblings.
The entire thing was just a tremendous waste of potential.
I understand Del Barrio identifies as non-binary, but they aren't a strong enough actor in my opinion. It also felt like they were cast to fill a checkbox more than because they were a strong actor. Adria also suffers from early TNG Wesley syndrome where they can science the heck out of a question and figure it out. They basically kicked Tilly from main character to off the ship to fit them in.
Grey is also poorly acted and the writers had to come up with some real science fiction BS to bring them back from the dead.
Star Trek fans, for the most part, have shown that we are more than comfortable with LGBTQ characters and expressions of love. The writing and background of the characters was extremely poor and hiring two underwhelming young actors didn't help.
Grey is also poorly acted and the writers had to come up with some real science fiction BS to bring them back from the dead.
Star Trek fans, for the most part, have shown that we are more than comfortable with LGBTQ characters and expressions of love. The writing and background of the characters was extremely poor and hiring two underwhelming young actors didn't help.
Kids today claim that they are sexually liberated and free from norms constructed by an old ass should be dead and forgotten society.... But they're just slutty, and weird.
My daughter is trans, I'm cool with that, she's dating a trans woman, not problem with that, nice girl, then 7 years into the relationship, rather than break up THEY BRING IN A THIRD who is non binary.
That three body problem lasted a year, before my daughter ran off with A DIFFERENT TRANSWOMAN, and moved to another city, because "I'm not happy" she says.
Jesus?
Happy?
The only people who are happy are morons and heroin addicts.
My daughter is trans, I'm cool with that, she's dating a trans woman, not problem with that, nice girl, then 7 years into the relationship, rather than break up THEY BRING IN A THIRD who is non binary.
That three body problem lasted a year, before my daughter ran off with A DIFFERENT TRANSWOMAN, and moved to another city, because "I'm not happy" she says.
Jesus?
Happy?
The only people who are happy are morons and heroin addicts.
Adira is just a Wesley reboot with somehow even less character development.
I remember when Paul was a proper character. They have all, with the exception of Michael, Tilly, Book and Saru, just thinned out over the years into babble spewing empty vessels.
I remember when Paul was a proper character. They have all, with the exception of Michael, Tilly, Book and Saru, just thinned out over the years into babble spewing empty vessels.
Adira had more development than wesley did until he came back as a guest star. They literally did a whole episode about their origin a few episodes after first appearance.
Whoa, that's quite the statement.
"The Naked Now"
"Coming of Age"
"When The Bough Breaks"
"The Dauphin"
"The Icarus Factor"
"Samaritan Snare"
"Peak Performance"
"Evolution"
While all are episodes with varying levels of quality, they all feature Wesley in multiple scenarios interacting with multiple crew members and highlighting various aspects of his personality.
Just for one example, we've barely seen Adira interact with anyone besides Stamets and Gray. Their relationship with everyone else, from Tilly to Saru to Burnham, is "pleasantly cordial", with no real differentiation in their interactions with each person. In contrast, how Wesley interacted with each crew member was distinctly different. So I don't see how you could realistically argue that Adira has more character development than Wesley because they got one episode that explained their backstory.
Adria is a decent actor, but Grey is quite meh.
Yeah, that writing was sub par ( On Discovery? Oh No!) if they didn't want to use Grey anymore, just keep Grey on Trill and basically forget them. Rather just not bring them back, like Airam's actress, and just say, there over there doing.. something.. than bring them in for a sub par episode.
Anyways...
Yeah, that writing was sub par ( On Discovery? Oh No!) if they didn't want to use Grey anymore, just keep Grey on Trill and basically forget them. Rather just not bring them back, like Airam's actress, and just say, there over there doing.. something.. than bring them in for a sub par episode.
Anyways...
They decide how many episodes each actor gets to be in before any of the episodes are written. It's about the budget as much as the stories.
I deeply suspect we've seen the last of Gray in the series.
I felt that they could have / should have either put a different spin on the Trill host aspect (having already done witting initiate and then unwitting initiate with the Daxes), maybe have a Trill host (could still be Adira) receive the symbiont who was a "rejected" initiate.
That would have had some worldbuilding potential as potentially a massive culture challenge. If they were going to stay with the human host aspect, then build on it a bit more rather than have it all neatly tied up in Forget Me Not. All of a sudden it's just fine to have the Trill in human hosts and we've never heard about this again.
I also know it would have been risky to tie in the gender identity aspect to receiving the host, and we know that human gender identity would be unlikely to be altered even by a symbiont if that were ever real life thing; also we've never seen gender identity affected by symbiosis before in the show (although we do know the host can become overwhelmed if joining is not done carefully). However I would like to have seen the two things explored together wherein Adira is questioning whether it IS indeed the symbiont that is making her>them feel more sure of being non-binary, and that this is found to be a red herring. I think that reaffirmation would have been immenseley helpful.
Also what about the reassociation taboo? I mean Adira was hooked up with Tal's OWN FORMER HOST! Not just a former lover's symbiont's new host!!!
And as for Gray leaving the show - yes please, happy to never see Ian Alexander ever again. An unpleasant, racist, poor actor IRL playing a fairly pointless character in the show.
That would have had some worldbuilding potential as potentially a massive culture challenge. If they were going to stay with the human host aspect, then build on it a bit more rather than have it all neatly tied up in Forget Me Not. All of a sudden it's just fine to have the Trill in human hosts and we've never heard about this again.
I also know it would have been risky to tie in the gender identity aspect to receiving the host, and we know that human gender identity would be unlikely to be altered even by a symbiont if that were ever real life thing; also we've never seen gender identity affected by symbiosis before in the show (although we do know the host can become overwhelmed if joining is not done carefully). However I would like to have seen the two things explored together wherein Adira is questioning whether it IS indeed the symbiont that is making her>them feel more sure of being non-binary, and that this is found to be a red herring. I think that reaffirmation would have been immenseley helpful.
Also what about the reassociation taboo? I mean Adira was hooked up with Tal's OWN FORMER HOST! Not just a former lover's symbiont's new host!!!
And as for Gray leaving the show - yes please, happy to never see Ian Alexander ever again. An unpleasant, racist, poor actor IRL playing a fairly pointless character in the show.
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