Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)

[Ol' Scratch]

I'm calling it now.

Danys will be on the Iron Throne, Rob will be leading the Night's Watch through a reformation after the White Walkers are dealt with, Tyrion will be Dany's Hand, and Podrick -- yes, Podrick! -- will be taking Jaime's place as Lord Command of the Kingsguard.

I have no doubts now, after having seen the first four episodes that were "leaked" online.

 

[137th Gebirg]

By Rob, I'm assuming you mean Jon?

Haven't seen the next 3 yet - why they would leak those online eludes me - but based on what you're saying, such a thing would make sense, but since this is still GRRM's world, most expectations of any kind of a predictable ending will likely get skewed.

 

[Forbin]

Hoping we can avoid spoilers for those leaked eps until they're aired, please?
I know it's exciting, but some of us aren't going to see them until the appropriate Sunday nights.

 

[Tom]

No spoilers, but there will definitely be some answers to the questions posed here, over the next couple episodes, so you don't have to wait long.

 

[FPAlpha]

I have just seen a short documentary of a day of shooting season 5 across the various locales and some scenes and scenery just gave me goosebumps and i am so excited now to see the season unfold.

So far i'm holding fast and not watching the leaked episodes (mainly because if i blow through them i will have to pause for a month) but i fear i may not make it through.. wish me luck

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Denerys definitely has to invade King's Landing eventually, successfully or unsuccessfully. But that's a case of if her storyline wasn't leading there then four seasons of development would be meaningless.

@Venardhi

What other prophecies have there been? Only prognostication in the TV shows I can think of is those related to Stannis and Arya by Millisandre (Probably both misspelled). But Baelon Grayjoy isn't dead yet and Arya's future at that point was rather obvious. (Maybe he'll die very soon to make the leech magic complete). Those had a different tone, either they were vague enough to leave the door open for Millisandre to just be building him up to use him or they were obviously where the story was already going.

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if the holder of the iron throne became nobody or became irrelevant as winter came. If all the Kings annihilated each other leaving a giant void.

Some other predictions.

-Bran will Warg the hell out of the missing dragon and lose himself in the role.
-Millisandre was planning to kill Stannis the moment he took the throne. (They never see the knife!)
-Arya will be the one to kill Cirsei

I'm also curious about whether Riccon Stark will ever factor in the show again. He hasn't been seen since the wildling woman left with him. Where could she have been going? I would have expected her to go to Castle Black to deliver Riccon to Jon.

No idea where Brien is going now, but I bet if she met Jon she'd quickly swear fealty to him. But if she got there when Stannis was still there she'd rage out and try to kill him.

Edit: Just remembered the three eyed raven prophecies. The difference between those and Cirsei's prophecy is that they were not related to the audience in specifics until they had already come true.

 

[chrisspringob]

Only prognostication in the TV shows I can think of is those related to Stannis and Arya by Millisandre (Probably both misspelled). But Baelon Grayjoy isn't dead yet and Arya's future at that point was rather obvious.

Wasn't one of the things that Mel said to Arya "We will meet again"? At least that's something of a prophecy. Maybe they'll meet because Arya gets trained as a faceless assassin, and someone puts a hit on Stannis (because he doesn't repay his debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos or something)?

 

[chrisspringob]

Haven't seen the next 3 yet - why they would leak those online eludes me.

HBO didn't leak them on purpose. They sent out screeners to some media critics so they could do pre-season reviews, and apparently one of those critics leaked the episodes online.

 

[theenglish]

Addressing the timeline question, the text in the books tends to be rather vague about how much time actually passes. I know that there is a timeline posted on various sights but it always seems to me to be too condensed considering the sheer scale of the geography of the world and the events that happen. Granted I have never done the math.

Consider that the size of Westeros is supposed to be the size of South America. This means that it is several times larger than Europe. The Eastern continent is larger than Westeros. Considering the time it would actually take to raise the armies that fight throughout the novels and move them from place to place, and that our characters have moved to the wall and to Dorn and back again, not to mention Dani's travels or how much the dragons have grown, it seems that literally years should have taken place during the course of the story. Instead maybe a year has passed? That really doesn't seem likely.

 

[Venardhi]

Somewhere around 2 years on average, with some threads having had more time pass and others somewhat less.

 

[Ethros]

I'm also curious about whether Riccon Stark will ever factor in the show again. He hasn't been seen since the wildling woman left with him. Where could she have been going? I would have expected her to go to Castle Black to deliver Riccon to Jon.

Bran told her to take him to Lord Jon Umber (he was in Season 1) as he was loyal to the Starks and would be safe living with him.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jon_Umber

But I hope we'll see them again at some point. And Shaggy Dog!

 

[Garak]

Seen all 4 and now I'm really sad I have to wait so long to see more.

All 4 episodes are very strong in my books.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Only prognostication in the TV shows I can think of is those related to Stannis and Arya by Millisandre (Probably both misspelled). But Baelon Grayjoy isn't dead yet and Arya's future at that point was rather obvious.

Wasn't one of the things that Mel said to Arya "We will meet again"? At least that's something of a prophecy. Maybe they'll meet because Arya gets trained as a faceless assassin, and someone puts a hit on Stannis (because he doesn't repay his debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos or something)?

I don't see Arya killing somebody who isn't on her list. Though Stannis isn't on her list yet, I guess he could easily find his way there if he finds Gendry. I think Arya is more likely to kill Mel than Stannis. Maybe the lord of light has already revealed to her how she will die and Mel recognized her when they met.

Although, it's still a case of vague versus specific. In shows like Lost or Babylon 5, specifics of the future are revealed and that puts you in a state of mind where you're searching for a missing piece of a known puzzle. Shows that don't have those kinds of prophecies and flashbacks put you in a state of mind where any outcome seems possible and you're trying to calculate cause and effect. In my opinion, Game of Thrones works better in the latter mode. I don't like having the knowledge that Tommen and Myrcella are probably going to die.

 

[Tom]

Seen all 4 and now I'm really sad I have to wait so long to see more.

All 4 episodes are very strong in my books.

Especially after what happened at the end of episode 4.

 

[theenglish]

Maybe all of you who've watched the first four episodes should open a different thread. I'm sure that you are all nice people but what you are doing is not only violating the request of the OP but it is also annoying.

 

[chrisspringob]

Only prognostication in the TV shows I can think of is those related to Stannis and Arya by Millisandre (Probably both misspelled). But Baelon Grayjoy isn't dead yet and Arya's future at that point was rather obvious.

Wasn't one of the things that Mel said to Arya "We will meet again"? At least that's something of a prophecy. Maybe they'll meet because Arya gets trained as a faceless assassin, and someone puts a hit on Stannis (because he doesn't repay his debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos or something)?

I don't see Arya killing somebody who isn't on her list. Though Stannis isn't on her list yet, I guess he could easily find his way there if he finds Gendry. I think Arya is more likely to kill Mel than Stannis. Maybe the lord of light has already revealed to her how she will die and Mel recognized her when they met.

But if she becomes a faceless assassin, is she free to go kill whoever she wants and only who she wants, or would people hire her to put hits on their enemies, or some such thing?

 

[Venardhi]

Wasn't one of the things that Mel said to Arya "We will meet again"? At least that's something of a prophecy. Maybe they'll meet because Arya gets trained as a faceless assassin, and someone puts a hit on Stannis (because he doesn't repay his debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos or something)?

I don't see Arya killing somebody who isn't on her list. Though Stannis isn't on her list yet, I guess he could easily find his way there if he finds Gendry. I think Arya is more likely to kill Mel than Stannis. Maybe the lord of light has already revealed to her how she will die and Mel recognized her when they met.

But if she becomes a faceless assassin, is she free to go kill whoever she wants and only who she wants, or would people hire her to put hits on their enemies, or some such thing?

That would be a question for the spoiler thread.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Wasn't one of the things that Mel said to Arya "We will meet again"? At least that's something of a prophecy. Maybe they'll meet because Arya gets trained as a faceless assassin, and someone puts a hit on Stannis (because he doesn't repay his debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos or something)?

I don't see Arya killing somebody who isn't on her list. Though Stannis isn't on her list yet, I guess he could easily find his way there if he finds Gendry. I think Arya is more likely to kill Mel than Stannis. Maybe the lord of light has already revealed to her how she will die and Mel recognized her when they met.

But if she becomes a faceless assassin, is she free to go kill whoever she wants and only who she wants, or would people hire her to put hits on their enemies, or some such thing?

Would Arya agree though to kill somebody she didn't think was evil? At the very least, she would fight it pretty hard if she was told to kill somebody she considered to be a good person.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Random thoughts about last night's episode:

-What was the point of turning Arya away the first time? It seemed for a second like he was administering the Fight Club test, which she then would have failed. Then randomly a day later he comes and gathers her. Was he just trying to see if she had the murderous temperament or something?

-Denerys has started making the same kinds of mistakes Robb Stark did leading up to his demise. I somehow don't see Mereen ending up well for her, or maybe this is leading to a story about Tyrion teaching her politics. But WTF, first she insists on giving a fair trial to the man who murdered an Unsullied, then she executes the man who killed him without a trial?

-Speaking of which I'm not buying Varys' sudden flourish of idealism. It seems to contradict his previously established personality.

-No mention of Brandon yet. Makes me wonder if they're keeping him out of the spotlight for a while so he can suddenly make impact later in the season.

-Brien has started acting like a reckless idiot again.

-Big surprise to see Siddig show up, but his head seems to already be on a chopping block as pretty much the only person in Dorne who doesn't want to hurt Myrcella.

-Did anybody feel any suspense at all at the Lord Commander election? Did it really need to end up in a tiebreaker the way it did? It felt like a forced way to create tension that nobody would buy anyway.

The show seems to be adopting more recognizable tropes than in previous seasons.

 

[FPAlpha]

Dany's power slip was beginning in season 3.. she's good at conquering due to her Unsullied, the threat of her Mother of Dragons image (though they were too small to be of tactical use in season 3) and her freedom fighter aspect which gave her huge support in the enslaved populace.

However she sucks at politics and actually ruling, i guess due to her young age and her idealism that isn't understood by everybody else.

Her execution of the former slave might have been law but she shows poor judgement in feeling the vibe of the people (or stubbornly ignoring it). That's actually Tyrion's strong talent and it'll be interesting to see if something comes of it if and when they meet and if they get along well enough that he becomes her advisor.

Other than that it's another setup episode that gets some storylines rolling and in true GoT tradition will most likely have a very good payoff. I like these episodes too but to be honest the second halves of each season were usually much more interesting with big and important events unfolding both for many characters as well as Westeros itself.

Anyway it is still one of the best shows currently and i look forward to each week for a new episode.