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"Enterprise" too advanced for 22nd Century

I wouldn't have minded a more "clunky" starship, something that looks less refined. Mix together the International Space Station and a modern day submarine.

Compared to the TOS and TNG ships, NX-01 did have a lot of those attributes. Archer's ready room was quite claustrophobic, and the quarters were small and the corridors narrow compared to the later ships. (The TOS corridors had to be really wide so the bulky 1960s cameras could move through them.) The door to main engineering was heavy and submarine-like. And so on. (My favorite touch was the cooling fans on the bridge consoles.) And the shuttlepods were very compact, with consoles inspired by the space shuttle. Doug Drexler, Mike Okuda, and the other designers did a great job compromising between realistic-looking space hardware and the necessities of a dramatic TV series (like needing a turbolift because it's hard to have a private conversation while climbing a ladder).
 
The shuttlepods had a cool lifting-body look to them. Not as nice looking as the new Dreamchaser shuttle but realistic looking.
 
Yeah. I just wish TOS had had the budget to build the aerodynamic shuttlecraft design Matt Jefferies originally envisioned, instead of having to settle for something shaped like a butter dish.

The thing would have been way too big anyway. Imagine trying to film around it, much less trying to fit the damn thing through the shuttlebay doors.
 
The thing would have been way too big anyway. Imagine trying to film around it, much less trying to fit the damn thing through the shuttlebay doors.

Huh? It looks about the same size as the version they went with, albeit with more wide-set nacelles. And the lower sketch in that link seems to be of an even more compact "scout craft" proposal that seems to be inspired by a light airplane fuselage, and that he suggested would be made of carved foam on a metal framework, light enough to be actually landed on the set.
 
Huh? It looks about the same size as the version they went with, albeit with more wide-set nacelles. And the lower sketch in that link seems to be of an even more compact "scout craft" proposal that seems to be inspired by a light airplane fuselage, and that he suggested would be made of carved foam on a metal framework, light enough to be actually landed on the set.

Yes, and the spread of the nacelles is the issue, it would be 2-3 times the width of what they ultimately went with. It causes problems with the scale of Enterprise and the hangar deck, and would have been completely wrong for the smaller scale Enterprise that Jeffries was originally intending. A full size prop/set would have been a bitch to film around too.

I did build a mock-up of the craft in Lightwave some time ago, and realised that I would have to scale-up my Enterprise model for it to look right. This is one of the reasons I don't disagree with that infamous hangar bay shot in ST09.

The smaller shuttle on the bottom would have been fine, however.
 
Yes, and the spread of the nacelles is the issue, it would be 2-3 times the width of what they ultimately went with.

Naturally the initial concept sketch could've been refined to take practical concerns into account, as with any concept design. The nacelle spread could've easily been changed. I'm not saying it had to be that exact concept drawing; I just wish they'd found some way to build a plausibly aerodynamic shuttlecraft instead of a Chevy van with nacelles. Like, maybe they could've gotten a real small-plane fuselage, or a mockup of same left over from a movie or something, and modified it to look spacier.
 
I never had a problem with ENTERPRISE "looking more advanced" than TOS, so long as they played up the fact that the tech is more rudimentary than what was actually demonstrated on the 1701. There's also taking into account the fact that both shows were filmed DECADES APART and television had very different production values for a great many reasons.

"In a Mirror, Darkly" sold that pretty well to the point that I even bought the idea that the Constitution class flying right next to the NX-class looked a lot more sleek and advanced. It's only the interiors that stood out as looking a bit more dated than the NX interiors, but I let it pass because that episode wasn't made to be viewed that way. It's just something you gotta roll with because the episode is a lot of fun. Same with the Gorn redesign. Sure, they could have gone total 60s camp by having it be a guy in a suit, but having it be a CG effect to me felt kind of in line with how TOS handled creature suits of its time. We knew Shatner was just fighting a dude in a suit, and we knew Bakula was just fighting a composited computer image, but in the end it's all for fun.
 
I think the sets and uniforms (save the rank pips) did a good job of bridging the gap between how things look today and how they did in TOS. But I didn't like exterior of the ship, or the fact they still had basically the same technology as they did in the 24th century. They shouldn't have had transporters, and they should have used familiar weapons like the missiles and guns we use today.

As for the exterior of the ship, I think that if you look at the design progression of ships from the TOS 1701 to Enterprise E and Voyager, you can extrapolate what an earlier design than Kirk's Enterprise might have looked like, and it doesn't look like the NX-01. I would have made it clunkier, with a thicker saucer, proportionally larger engines, and a satellite dish that looks like one you would find on Earth today. I also would have gone with a painted rather than metallic hull, not only to make it fit better with TOS, but also because metallic materials are one of the hardest things to simulate in CGI, and NX-01 never looked right as a result.
 
Sure, they could have gone total 60s camp by having it be a guy in a suit, but having it be a CG effect to me felt kind of in line with how TOS handled creature suits of its time.

There was another option: a guy in a modern suit. Animatronic and prosthetic technology have advanced enormously since the '60s, or even since the days of the first three Ninja Turtles movies and Farscape. Look at what Marvel's Runaways did with an animatronic dinosaur.


They shouldn't have had transporters, and they should have used familiar weapons like the missiles and guns we use today.

Berman & Braga didn't want them to have transporters (and maybe other tech), but the network insisted that it have the familiar Trek elements. The "spatial torpedoes" used in the first two seasons were basically missiles.

As for the exterior of the ship, I think that if you look at the design progression of ships from the TOS 1701 to Enterprise E and Voyager, you can extrapolate what an earlier design than Kirk's Enterprise might have looked like, and it doesn't look like the NX-01.

True, if you do it that way. For myself, I would've preferred something like the Daedalus class. Still, there's no reason why that had to be Starfleet's only design lineage. We've known ever since TWOK that Starfleet has single-hulled ships as well as double-hulled ones. Indeed, I think the new starship classes introduced by Discovery do a good job of filling in a second line of progression in Starfleet designs, between the NX class and later single-hull designs like the Miranda and Constellation.
 
I wouldn't have minded a more "clunky" starship, something that looks less refined. Mix together the International Space Station and a modern day submarine.
Honestly, I would have been absolutely fine if they had used the Conestoga design from Terra Nova as the NX-01.

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To me that is a sensible design for that era. That, or perhaps something along the lines of a Daedalus class.
Have the corridors three feet wide. Heavy doors that look like they could hold against a vaccum. Stairs and ladders, not elevators. Mysterious pipes and wire conduits simply covering the walls. Storage containers everywhere.
All good ideas.

I'd also have binned the "polarised hull" concept. It makes very little sense to me, and as used in the show it's just another word for "shields" - they treated it exactly the same, down to "hull plating at twenty percent!" Have the ship armoured if you want to, but just treat it like armour.

Same complaint with "phase" weapons and "photonic" torpedoes. You're really not using less advanced technology if you have systems that do the exact same thing in the exact same way, only with slightly different names for them.

So give the NX-01 nuclear missiles - which fits canon perfectly as we know those were the main weapons in the Romulan war. And perhaps laser cannon.

And no "phase pistols" either. Give the crew hand lasers, or even mini rail-gun type slugthrowers.

No transporters, period. Honestly I'd have put the invention of those things about 20 years before TOS at the earliest. Concurrent with that, I'd have had at least half a dozen shuttles on the ship.

I do like the look of the NX-01 interiors, though as you say, I'd prefer things to have been more cramped. Like the uniforms too.
 
Other than the silly ribbing on the top, I actually think the USS Frank Lin from ST:Beyond was a much better take on what an ancestral Starfleet ship would look like.
 
A star trek show has to be able to hold its head up among its peers. That ship above(which is basically the defiant with different engines), and even the Franklin don't have the presence and majesty of the NX.

Then the daedulus is butt ugly. I know everyone agrees deep down.
 
A star trek show has to be able to hold its head up among its peers. That ship above(which is basically the defiant with different engines)
Um, no it isn't. It really, really isn't anything like it.

and even the Franklin don't have the presence and majesty of the NX.
Opinions vary. Personally I don't think the NX had much screen presence and certainly didn't have any majesty at all. It's my second least favourite of the "hero" ships.

Then the daedulus is butt ugly. I know everyone agrees deep down.
There's a good deal of leeway in the Daedalus design, because all we ever saw of it in canon is a desktop model. There's nothing to say that the model is particularly accurate. It could be the equivalent of a kid's toy aeroplane for all we know.

And there's a ton of fan designed versions of the Daedalus that really look quite good. Check out the Pacific 201 version for example :

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Or hell, just call it the McShippy class, a forerunner to the Daedalus.
 
Only on the plaque. And the prop makers did it to honour the Director’s father (as was the ships name in the first place). It’s an Easter egg. I think it was also described as being caused by crash damage.

The ship is Franklin everywhere else in the movie and in promotional material.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Franklin

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