I was just about to get along with you so well and now you ruined it.
That was a joke ofcourse. Each their own, I really love the Ambassador!
Enterprise Era Starship Thread
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I was just about to get along with you so well and now you ruined it.
That was a joke ofcourse. Each their own, I really love the Ambassador!
Yeah, the Ambassador is gorgeous. It took building a model of the Enterprise-C to really help me appreciate her. Now it's one of my favourite designs.I was just about to get along with you so well and now you ruined it.
That was a joke ofcourse. Each their own, I really love the Ambassador!
In my imaginary continuity, taking games into account, the concept Enterprise-C was the original version of the Ambassador class. The way the ship looked when launched in 2332. Then in the 30s it got refitted into the familiar Ambassador shape.
On-topic: I could see the series Ambassador as a retro-inspired ship inspired by the 22nd century Yorktown battleship.
On-topic: I could see the series Ambassador as a retro-inspired ship inspired by the 22nd century Yorktown battleship.
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I personally feel like the designs are so different that they should at this point be individual classes. And what’s more, the Probert version looks more advanced than the Sternbach version, so going from the former to the latter doesn’t make logical sense.
Isn’t that what STO did? Didn’t they make the Probert version the Narendra class?
That is a sensible argument. In STO, the flavortext says that the Narendra was the original Ambassador design but ahead of its time. It couldn't be realised until 2409.
The USS Ambassador appears in the "Narendra" design in the SOTL calendar, indicating it was the first iteration and the rest of the class was redesigned to the familiar shape.
In Star Trek: Trexels, all Ambassador class ships were of the "Narendra" design, which is why I think that design was rolled out first and refitted away later. Imho, neither version looks more advanced than the other.
I remember when the “New Frontier” novel series started up, the Excalibur was described as a “refitted Ambassador-class,” which I imagined looking very much like the Probert version. I couldn’t have seen it at the time, I was just thinking about how the ship could be sleeker.
Of course, eventually, they started showing the ship on cover art and in comic books, and it turned out they meant “refit” in the real-world sense, not in the Star Trek “make the ship look better” sense.
Of course, eventually, they started showing the ship on cover art and in comic books, and it turned out they meant “refit” in the real-world sense, not in the Star Trek “make the ship look better” sense.
The Probert version looks far more like the Enterprise-D than the Sternbach version does. Which was the whole point of the design: to be the middle-point between the Excelsior class and the Galaxy class. Sternbach's version doesn't really do that.
I think that’s actually the major point in favor of Sternbach’s version. It’s uglier, but it seems silly that the -C would look like you paused a computer morph halfway between the -B and the -D, which is what the Probert version is. I can see the argument for a progression or lineage that looks nice on a chart, but that was taking it a little far.
Agreed. It's not like the Enterprise-D looked like a mid-point between the Enterprise-C and the Enterprise-E. Heck, the Voyager-A looks nothing like the original, while the Voyager-B looks more like the original.
I feel like its the NX issue. From certain angles its gorgeous. But from others, its not.I was just about to get along with you so well and now you ruined it.
That was a joke ofcourse. Each their own, I really love the Ambassador!
The problem is the Ambassador has no good angles
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That's a matter of opinion. I think she's gorgeous from just about any angle.The problem is the Ambassador has no good angles
Looks like they could be flown by the Romulans!
I'll jump in on the Warp Delta love and post a few more pics. It's definitely a beautiful design. It's simplicity is one of its best features. Would have loved to have seen it in action during the Romulan War.
Romulan spies are everywhere!
IIRC, the BOP from "Balance of Terror" was based on stolen Starfleet plans in earlier drafts.
I always liked that idea. Shame it kinda got nixed by Enterprise showing an earlier BOP. In my head canon, the Romulans still managed to copy Starfleet Warp Engine technology.
It explains the drastic difference between this...
And this...
Those are some very Starfleet looking warp nacelles.
I always liked that idea. Shame it kinda got nixed by Enterprise showing an earlier BOP. In my head canon, the Romulans still managed to copy Starfleet Warp Engine technology.
It explains the drastic difference between this...
And this...
Those are some very Starfleet looking warp nacelles.
There's no reason it can't still work. ROP used their power hungry FTL engine till they got their hands on 23rd century Fed warp tech to usher in a new generation of BOPs, the Mougar.
Pictured: The Elegant and Demure Romulan Cloaked BOP's prior to re-encountering the UFP.
Or Dauntless class...
I think I remember reading on either John Eaves or Doug Drexler's blog sites that the fins were for atmospheric entry.
Well how about the other way round? The Probert version was refitted into the onscreen Ambassador version? Maybe The Enterprise C originally looked like that before an extensive refit which is why the display in the Enterprise D conference room shows a different ship.
We saw a total of three Ambassador-class variants in TNG: the sleek Probert version from the lounge wall, the Enterprise-C class default, and the USS Zhukov refit. The latter has shorter pylons, the saucer slightly pulled back, and nacelle caps on the bussard collectors. The Excalibur is of that kind of refit, albeit sometimes depicted without shortened pylons.
