The Lost Era starships thread

[CaptChris42]

Presumably if a particular ship design fills a mission role extremely well, or flexibly enough - then it keeps being constructed.

Excelsiors and Mirandas seem to fit in a wider range of roles, even outside of light cruiser and heavy cruiser brackets (with the Miranda becoming closer to a destroyer escort over time) - so apparently, they kept building more. In widely spaced batches.

Conversely, the Ambassadors seem all bunched together, whether by preassigned number blocks or not. They fill a cruiser role - but only during a specific technology peak era. Hence they probably had a shorter production span.

And the Niagara just seems to have been built piecemeal, every so often.

 

[Dukhat]

Conversely, the Ambassadors seem all bunched together, whether by preassigned number blocks or not. They fill a cruiser role - but only during a specific technology peak era. Hence they probably had a shorter production span.

This also seems to be the case with all of the conjectural Starfleet classes, and the Wolf 359 ships. Only a few ships of each class exist, and their registry numbers are all bunched together. This seems to imply that they only had short production runs over a specific period of time. Which would explain why we never saw any of them in the large fleet shots.

And the Niagara just seems to have been built piecemeal, every so often.

There are only two known Niagara class ships, the Princeton NCC-59804 and the Wellington NCC-28473. However, the Wellington’s number was just conjecture from the Encyclopedia and is not canon. The Starship Deploy Status Okudagram in ‘Measure of a Man’ gives a different registry for the Wellington. Because the chart can’t be seen clearly, the best guess that someone at Memory Alpha came up with for the Wellington's registry is NCC-53421, which significantly changes the production time for the Niagara class to a much shorter time span if we go under the assumption that registries are chronological.

 

[valkyrie013]

From what is out, After 2311, when the Romulans when behind the iron curtain again, and had peace with the Klingons that it was a reasonably peaceful time up untill Tng, with me saying the Galaxy class was spun out on that notion, of a "Hotel" in space that was a giant research ship going all places.

So the fleet after any time of War would be shrunken. All the older ships would go to Planetary/member world/colony fleets, or be put in bone yards, New builds would be slow or almost non existant.. Excelsior class by then was a proven hull with it being built probably untill 2330s when the Ambassador class came out. With them being the New "Flag Ship" shinny penny. The Wolf 359 Fleet might be speciality or prototype ships, with in my mind very small runs and things that were dusted off, armed and sent to the battle. Just like the Excelsior concepts.. So you probably had 10 - 20 ships that were "active" ships and the rest were taken out the boneyard or Planetary fleets to fill out the fleet.

So Plenty of Excelsiors, Mirandas, some Constilations, maybe an Ambassador class here or there.
but knowing the new people incharge.. we wont see any of them.. all new ships that look to new to be in the 2330's..

 

[Dukhat]

Remember, this movie is about Georgiou and the Guardians of the Galaxy style Section 31. It’s not about Starfleet or the Enterprise-C. So their focus isn’t going to be on making sure some background ships look like they’re from the right time period. I will be pleasantly surprised if they do their homework (apparently like the phaser design), but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[Tuskin38]

Actually, it's really not. Someone noticed the superficial resemblance to the Walker class and speculated in MA that they were related, when in fact the ship looks far more like a Sovereign.

It's a design Eaves made for the first version of Star Trek Online in the mid 2000s.

 

[Dukhat]

It's a design Eaves made for the first version of Star Trek Online in the mid 2000s.

Oh, I know. I’m just not sure if Eaves made the award and used that design, or if someone else made the award and just found the design somewhere and didn’t think twice about it not being from the right time period.

 

[Mage]

I wouldn’t want them to change the Enterprise-C like they changed the TOS Enterprise into the SNW Enterprise. That’s just too much change for change’s sake, and the Ambassador design doesn’t really need any update. But I would still rather have that than see Excelsiors, Mirandas and Oberths again ad nauseum, or ships that would look right at home as one of the First Contact classes.

Not sure if you saw this thread, but if this pops up in the movie as the E-C, I would be very happy.

USS Albacore, Ambassador Class Prototype

Hello :) I've been making a new starship model for a bit and would like to share it in its current state of wip. It's based off of the ambassador class, but with some Excelsior/Ent-B inspiration, and some of my own ideas in the mix too. The model is pretty much complete, and I've just started...

www.trekbbs.com

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

if this pops up in the movie as the E-C, I would be very happy.

They should save that for a Star Trek/Star Wars crossover movie!

 

[Dukhat]

Not sure if you saw this thread, but if this pops up in the movie as the E-C, I would be very happy.

USS Albacore, Ambassador Class Prototype

Hello :) I've been making a new starship model for a bit and would like to share it in its current state of wip. It's based off of the ambassador class, but with some Excelsior/Ent-B inspiration, and some of my own ideas in the mix too. The model is pretty much complete, and I've just started...

www.trekbbs.com

Oh yes, I’ve seen his awesome work. And while I like his take, I still feel that a change like that isn’t necessary. The Ambassador class works just fine the way it is, in my opinion. They didn’t feel the need to update the Enterprise-D in PIC, so I hope they don’t do the same with the C (if they even show it at all, which is doubtful.)

 

[Mage]

Oh yes, I’ve seen his awesome work. And while I like his take, I still feel that a change like that isn’t necessary. The Ambassador class works just fine the way it is, in my opinion. They didn’t feel the need to update the Enterprise-D in PIC, so I hope they don’t do the same with the C (if they even show it at all, which is doubtful.)

Oh, I love the Ambassador, I'm with you! But considering it's most likely they would update it IF they show it, I wouldn't mind this take on it.
I think the only reason they didn't update the E-D for Picard is because it is so iconic. And, if I recal, none of the known classes were updated. Ships like the Akira, Nova and Steamrunner were all still the same right?
We'll see what happens. But yup, I highly doubt we'll see the E-C.

 

[Yaroze86]

If its 2311, I doubt that is in the Ambassador-class era sadly. From what we know in outside sources (TNG Tech Manual) would be around 2325.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Picard, Lower Decks and Prodigy kept all the ships the same, Discovery and Strange New Worlds kept none of the ships the same (except the ones in pictures and perhaps a Romulan science vessel). Section 31 is from the Disco side of the family so I expect the Enterprise C will be different if it appears.

 

[Dukhat]

Oh, I love the Ambassador, I'm with you! But considering it's most likely they would update it IF they show it, I wouldn't mind this take on it.
I think the only reason they didn't update the E-D for Picard is because it is so iconic. And, if I recal, none of the known classes were updated. Ships like the Akira, Nova and Steamrunner were all still the same right?
We'll see what happens. But yup, I highly doubt we'll see the E-C.

They all looked the same because they used the Eaglemoss CGI models for them. Which I would think they’d use for the Ent-C as well, unless they show the ship in extreme closeup, in which they’d need a more detailed model.

If it’s 2311, I doubt that is in the Ambassador-class era sadly. From what we know in outside sources (TNG Tech Manual) would be around 2325.

Spoiler

The Section 31 movie takes place in the 2330’s.

 

[HotRod]

Picard, Lower Decks and Prodigy kept all the ships the same, Discovery and Strange New Worlds kept none of the ships the same (except the ones in pictures and perhaps a Romulan science vessel). Section 31 is from the Disco side of the family so I expect the Enterprise C will be different if it appears.

The Discovery side of things updated what was visually dated and didn't really fit in when compared to things like the NX-01. The Enterprise-C is far more modern in appearance and not really in need of updating. In the unlikely chance we see it in Section 31, I imagine it will look as it did in Yesterday's Enterprise, though with modern CGI and perhaps with updated textures and such.

 

[Daedalus]

Picard, Lower Decks and Prodigy kept all the ships the same, Discovery and Strange New Worlds kept none of the ships the same (except the ones in pictures and perhaps a Romulan science vessel). Section 31 is from the Disco side of the family so I expect the Enterprise C will be different if it appears.

The Discovery side of things updated what was visually dated and didn't really fit in when compared to things like the NX-01. The Enterprise-C is far more modern in appearance and not really in need of updating. In the unlikely chance we see it in Section 31, I imagine it will look as it did in Yesterday's Enterprise, though with modern CGI and perhaps with updated textures and such.

In the event it does get a face-lift, it would be nice to see Probert's original vision canonised, along with the golden C model. As long as they signify that it's what it looked like before a refit via BTS info or twitter, just to spare us all.

 

[Dukhat]

In the event it does get a face-lift, it would be nice to see Probert's original vision canonised, along with the golden C model. As long as they signify that it's what it looked like before a refit via BTS info or twitter, just to spare us all.

That’s exactly what I don’t want. The Probert version and the Sternbach version look so different from each other that they really don’t qualify as being the same class. Now if they wanted to show Probert’s version and call it, say, the Renaissance class, I’d be fine with that.

Ambassador class - Sternbach and Probert designs by DigitalExplorations on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

 

[HotRod]

In the event it does get a face-lift, it would be nice to see Probert's original vision canonised, along with the golden C model. As long as they signify that it's what it looked like before a refit via BTS info or twitter, just to spare us all.

God, I hope not. The Enterprise-C is an underrated gem of a Starship. That Probert concept is ass ugly, in my opinion.

 

[Dukhat]

God, I hope not. The Enterprise-C is an underrated gem of a Starship. That Probert concept is ass ugly, in my opinion.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Probert's version is 'ass ugly' (as a matter of fact, it looks far more like the mid-point between the Excelsior class and the Galaxy class that they were going for than Sternbach's version does), but I greatly prefer Sternbach's design as what we got. It looks sufficiently different from the Enterprise-D that viewers would not have gotten confused as to which ship was which from a distance, which I think the Probert version would have had a problem with.

 

[Daedalus]

That’s exactly what I don’t want. The Probert version and the Sternbach version look so different from each other that they really don’t qualify as being the same class. Now if they wanted to show Probert’s version and call it, say, the Renaissance class, I’d be fine with that.

Ambassador class - Sternbach and Probert designs by DigitalExplorations on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

That would be cool. Similarly, STO's Narendra class, although the class name wouldn't make sense.

I just don't trust them to not arbitrarily decide that something needs to look different because  they think its outdated. I'm just preparing myself for the worst.

 

[Dukhat]

I just don't trust them to not arbitrarily decide that something needs to look different because  they think its outdated. I'm just preparing myself for the worst.

That’s a definite concern, that’s for sure. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt because I believe that it wasn’t just an arbitrary decision to set the movie in the 2330’s, and that they had a specific reason to do so. But we’ll see in less than 3 months.