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Starship Museums: why?
- Thread starter Admiral Jean-Luc Picard
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"Because they can" isn't really a reason to do something like risk destroying an entire city-size space station (Spacedock).
You don't think they can do things like running the numbers and running computer simulations? I imagine they crunched the numbers, then did the job Starfleet requested.
As far as adding on? I imagine it simply came down to what many projects came down to. During its roughly century of existence, technology and purpose changed to such a degree, that it was simply cheaper and easier to build a new facility than update the current one.
Don't get where this too delicate to move thing comes from. I mean it's not a sprawling complex of modules like TMP's office complex, only writ large, or some collection of filigree trusses like Armagosa or Epsilon 9. It's self-contained within a very starship-like outer hull. Of all the Federation non-ship space objects we've been shown over the years, it would be the one that I would pick first to say that it could be moved at warp.
Delicate? FFS, it has space doors that are thicker that a Constitution's warp nacelles.
Delicate? FFS, it has space doors that are thicker that a Constitution's warp nacelles.
Yeah i'm at a loss for the whole "it's too big" or "you might break it".
Nowhere, ever, in Star Trek has that been an issue.
The only thing approaching this was moving DS9, which was not even remotely the same situation or context.
Nowhere, ever, in Star Trek has that been an issue.
The only thing approaching this was moving DS9, which was not even remotely the same situation or context.
It's the older model, but considering new Spacedock took a pounding from the entire fleet, pretty sure the old one can handle a hop to warp. Does it need to be dismantled a bit and towed that way? Maybe? Or maybe they used those subspace portal things the Xindi had.
Sorry...just finished season 3, so just jumping in, and skipping (for now) some of the middle pages....
My thoughts on the Museum... it makes sense that some ships with a relative short life The cost (time as well as other resources) to repair might make less sense than just building from the ground up. And the ships in the museum have gone through a lot. Hence their placement there.
The real question might be why are they fully functional...or was that just 1701-D (and because of the nacelle section being from another ship, that they chose not to recontruct)?
My thoughts on the Museum... it makes sense that some ships with a relative short life The cost (time as well as other resources) to repair might make less sense than just building from the ground up. And the ships in the museum have gone through a lot. Hence their placement there.
The real question might be why are they fully functional...or was that just 1701-D (and because of the nacelle section being from another ship, that they chose not to recontruct)?
Prior to Picard S3, it seemed like starships ending up in the fleet museum was not a common thing. I think the only confirmed museum ships were a Constitution-class ship, Voyager, and the NX-01. I thought it was silly for the Ent-D saucer to be salvaged and for Spacedock to be flown off to another solar system. I also thought it was silly for the Defiant-A to be retired when it's only 26 years old given it's been common place for starships from Kirk's era to easily last for several decades. Are Picard-era ships just made cheap?
Why build a battle section for the museum when you can just use an existing one and slap it onto the saucer?What did you think of the Titan-A, and were you missing the La Sirena in the final season?
We're Trek fans. We have to justify everything.Sorry when I say this, but I think it's strange to discuss 19 pages about the sense of making a starship museum
Prior to Picard S3, it seemed like starships ending up in the fleet museum was not a common thing. I think the only confirmed museum ships were a Constitution-class ship, Voyager, and the NX-01. I thought it was silly for the Ent-D saucer to be salvaged and for Spacedock to be flown off to another solar system. I also thought it was silly for the Defiant-A to be retired when it's only 26 years old given it's been common place for starships from Kirk's era to easily last for several decades. Are Picard-era ships just made cheap?
What did you think of the Titan-A, and were you missing the La Sirena in the final season?
I think the previous confirmed ships were the "duh" ships that would of course be there. I don't know anything about the others.But depending on how much damage, it would make sense to park them there, with minimal maintainece needed.
Now ..."Spacedock " -- i thought that would have been a "standard" model created for docks throughout the quadrant. Earth had one version, while the museum had a different version, with more outside docks for display.
Defiant was a battleship, with lots of battle damage,so it might be better tojust let it sit. I know the original was a prototype, with alleged flaws that prevented it from being mass produced at the time.
And the "used" battle section makes sense, though it depends on if the warp engines wer edamaged or not....but also doesn't make much sense why you would make these vessels fully functional (other than for plot convenience).
The Titan A was a nice original ENterprise feel (I have a script guide of TNG that i think ordered from a Starlog ad, and the drawing of the 1701-D made it look like a melted classic Enterprise, before I finally saw it on TV). But dang, a little slap in the face to RIker's ship. So do they issue out at Titan-B sometime soon?
La Sirena would have been super helpful, but the 1701-D basically covered most of its use
I just think it's silly for a ship that's not outdated to be turned into a museum. This is pure fan service, and I do not like fan service. I want stories to make sense. Why was the Klingon BOP not torn apart and reverse engineered? Why do they have a Klingon battle cruiser? Why is the Defiant-A retired? How was the Ent-D saucer salvaged? Why was it a surprise to everyone that it was salvaged at all? Everything feels reduced to CGI fan service. I hate asking questions and being told, "Shut up, memberberries!!!!"
The Spockdock from the TOS movies was moved to whatever planet it was in orbit over in PIC S3 to make room for the new Spacedock, and I am like... space is big. There can't be two over Earth? Come on. I didn't mind the fleet museum being in some other solar system, but moving spacedock was dumb.
The Defiant-A was literally a brand-new ship when DS9 ended, and then its first big space battle was the end of the war. The only reason for it to be retired is because they wanted it at Spacedock for memberberries, which is stupid and bad writing, to me at least.
It may not be all of them that are fully functional, but maybe just the "more recent" museum ships. Like the Ent-D was in service for a whole year before being retired again. It makes you wonder who the Captain and crew were. Anyway, ships like the Ent-D, Voyager, the Defiant-A could be kept functional in case they are needed for an emergency. What do you think?
I loved the retro-design of the Titan-A, but changing it's name to Enterprise-G was stupid. More fan service making my brain bleed our my ears.
I didn't mind the La Sirena being reduced to Raffi and Worf's ship, but it just felt scuttled and forgotten which felt like taking a shit on its importance to S1-2. Maybe I am just salty.
We don't have the full picture of why the ships ended up in the museum, but that information was never important to the story so I don't mind not knowing it. The NX-01, Enterprise-D and Voyager all earned a place there in less than 10 years for three very different reasons, so the 26 year old Defiant showing up wasn't too unbelievable to me. Life happened and the ship was eventually retired.
Why wasn't the Bird-of-Prey torn apart for its secrets? I assumed it had been, as much as was required, and then they put it in the museum, same with Voyager. (Why they left a working cloaking device on it is another question.)
Also, I didn't think much about La Sirena in the final episodes, mostly because they'd given us the Enterprise-D back, but that ship would've been way better suited for swooping around inside a Borg Cube. I wouldn't trade the Enterprise-D for a more realistic swooping scene though.
Why wasn't the Bird-of-Prey torn apart for its secrets? I assumed it had been, as much as was required, and then they put it in the museum, same with Voyager. (Why they left a working cloaking device on it is another question.)
Also, I didn't think much about La Sirena in the final episodes, mostly because they'd given us the Enterprise-D back, but that ship would've been way better suited for swooping around inside a Borg Cube. I wouldn't trade the Enterprise-D for a more realistic swooping scene though.
Vulcans already scanned it and acquired what was needed.
On loans as a cultural exchange program.
Battleship and Starfleet is no longer in war footing.
Very carefully.
#1 Scanning is not the same thing as reverse engineering. Scanners are not magical all-knowing and all-powerful devices. They have limitations.
#2 I call BS, Klingons aren't going to just fork over one of their ships like this.
#3 Incompetence. After the Cardassian War, 2 Borg invasions, the Klingon war, and the war with the Dominion, Cardassians, and Breen... Starfleet would have to be mentally handicapped to not have retire their warships.
#4 Very carefully doesn't explain how it was retrieved.
Isn’t there one of those Roddenberry Archive CGI/AI things that covers that?
How do we know this is the first Bird of Prey captured? They were also months in exile which means any meaningful information could have been worked on by Vulcans in that time.
Khitomer Accords.
Maybe but Starfleet doesn't build warships. It makes sense from a PR move and morale move. Picard even notes in Picard that Starfleet lost its way. Getting back to explorer type ships is in line with readjusting their priorities post war.
Matalas shared a picture of tugs powering and lifting the saucer. I imagine that's a delicate process.
Voyager is only there for PR seasons. The Enterprise-D is likely only there for PR reasons. There's no reason why there can't be 2 Enterprises cruising around, the D and the G. Hell, if they wanted to, the Ent-F could have simply been replaced with the Ent-D, but upgraded and with the D changed to G. We've seen starships still going 80+ years old, but the Defiant-A can't go 25+ years?
I'm asking about the context of the 2280's when the Klingons were still a threat to the Federation. If we assume the ship glitched and cloaked itself after the ship sank, they'd still be able to find it by just putting some drones in the bay and cruising around until they hit an invisible object, bang, there it is. Once they find it, drag it out of the bay to land, and tear it apart for all those juicy Klingon secrets. "Look, it's a museum ship! Memberberries!" Stupid fan-service, I don't care.
Loved the La Sirena, it was Picard's ship throughout S1 and S2. In S3, it's reduced to making cameos in the first 3 episodes, only the interior appearing in the 5th episode, and then... I guess they just ditched it.
I would have loved it if Raffi and Worf were protecting the Titan-A, sacrificing their ship, and beaming out as the ship is destroyed. Maybe give us a throwback to Chakotay saving Voyager with his Maquis ship in the VOY premiere. Though I thought salvaging the Ent-D was dumb, I DID like the series finale. Only parts I didn't like: Ent-F should'a been the Ent-E, and don't rename the Titan.
I saw it and thought it was dumb.
Reverse engineering means you take something apart and study how it was put together. They can't do that on Vulcan if they're going to fly the ship back to Earth.
Explain.
Clearly they have, evidenced by all the new ships seen in First Contact. They might not be true warships, but close enough compared to everything that came before. Starfleet losing its way, I assumed that was a nod to it bailing on the Romulans and the synth ban.
I saw the short on YouTube, I thought it was dumb.
Assumption.
A sign that the Accords are still in place. It's Kronos One after all.
And then the Dominion War ended. Priorities shift.
Subjective. Doesn't mean it doesn't explain it.
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