Yep. They didn't seem to have any issues pumping out that clone fleet at the end of Picard season one.
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Yep. They didn't seem to have any issues pumping out that clone fleet at the end of Picard season one.
And they certainly weren't lacking ships in Season three.
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It wasn't the lack of the ships or resources but experienced crewmembers, and engineers to staff and build those ships. They lost the synth workforce, as well as how ever many personnel.
The only real barrier would be labor. But I can't believe AI did the grunt work. That was likely done by lesser mechanical devices. No sense in wasting AI resources to install panels and tighten bolts.
I think Picard would've been a show that would've benefitted greatly by all its writers being from sci-fi and science backgrounds vs. regurgitated TV writers.
Not everything can be replicated.
Why else do you think StarShips are still assembled & welded together in Space Dock.
But Utopia Planetia being one of the largest, and it goes down, many lives are lost.
Talent has to be shifted from other Orbital Yards, Supplies have to be moved around.
The Synth Ban definitely hindered progress in terms of StarShip manufacturing.
Having to revert to older methods of StarShip Manufacturing & Assembly.
Remember what happened during the Pandemic when things went into chaos with shipping.
It doesn't take much to grind things to a halt.
Yet, somehow the very fleet you complained about still got constructed and manned in very short order.
Define Short Order.
The Attack on Mars took place on Friday, April 5th, 2385
ST:PIC S1 took place in 2399.
That's ~14 years after the attack.
It took twenty years to construct the Galaxy-class with Starfleet at full strength.
The Galaxy-class was the first ship of that size.
There was ALOT of learning pains before it went into "Mass Production".
The majority of the 20 years was to get the initial manufacturing setup right along with combining all the seperate systems into one platform.
Setting up the Supply Chain / Assembly Jigs / Designs / Assembly Order is a big deal.
Training talent, getting the Software going.
Especially for the "First of it's kind vessel".
Once you figure out all the details, test it, do it, & record the results & make necessary adjustments.
Mass Production becomes MUCH smoother after the fact.
It always takes ALOT of pain IRL to make things that are brand new.
Just look at the JSF program, it had ALOT of initial pain points in the beginning, but now they're rolling off the assembly line in significant numbers.
Zheng He looks brand new to the point that Starfleet had to start drafting captains to have enough to mount a fleet.
And you're trying to use how we do things now, as a reason that things are the same 400 years in the future. Which has long been a problem with Trek. Is it science fiction or not.
Yeah, it was a new design & a "Rapidly Developed" StarShip class to bolster fleet numbers.
So yeah, it has that "New StarShip feel".
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
While what they use & do will change, the end result will stay the same.
Building a Brand New StarShip class, especially one of a much larger size than before will take ALOT of time.
Especially since the Jigs for the portions of the SpaceFrame will need to be made from the ground up.
That takes time and isn't cheap or easy.
Setting up the Assembly Line, Parts, Logistics, training isn't easy.
Ask anybody who is in Manufacturing today, it's a giant logistical nightmare that all needs to go right for the final product to work together.
It's Sci-Fi & based on reality to some degree.
A bit of both.
Let's give you a simple example.
In WW2, many soldiers had ~100 lbs of gear.
In modern day, many soldiers still have ~100 lbs of gear when fully loaded out and ready to go into the field.
As to what they carry might be different including how much weight goes to armor, weapons, ammo, rations, other kit.
But they end up carrying 100 lbs of gear regardless.
Same with StarShip manufacturing, the intial setup of the Assembly Line, the testing, the integration takes ALOT of time.
Once the factory line is up and going, things move VERY fast after that.
Take the Sacramento-class fast combat support ships. They were built in the 1960s but the first two of the class were fitted with parts of the powerplant from the unfinished battleship USS Kentucky. That ship had been scrapped in 1958 after it was decided not to complete the ship after its bow was used to repair the USS Missouri in the 1950s. Ships sometimes get their gear recycled into other ships. Farther back a few early American dreadnoughts had their turbines installed into later built ships as part of their refits as they had a better engine design for what the Navy needed in the 1920s.
With Utopia Planetia out of action, the place where they built Galaxy-class starships is gone. It was likely the largest ship building facility in the Federation. That is a large amount of construction potential lost to Starfleet. Sure there are other shipyards and facilities that can build or repair starships, but with the number of ships last or destroyed from the 2370s to 2380s, Starfleet has a huge hole to fill in terms of Starships. Add to this the likelihood that they were upgrading the fleet for faster warp velocities and a limited number of transwarp-like drive starships like the Dauntless and Protostar types. So Starfleet would put out a number of Inquiry-class starships and a bunch of variations on a theme starship in the likes of the Sagan-class and other STO based starships. However, if the Titan-A is anything to go off of, it would seem that some of those newer ships were built using parts from older starships. If Titan uses warp coils that are 20 or more years old, it wouldn't be that far to assume that other starships might also have older warp coils and other components of starships that were retired early due to damage or computer viral infections in the 2380s. What we don't know is if there are other Constitution III-class starships, or if the design is a purpose build starship to reuse parts from other starships.
There are also the older starships that are still in use in 2401. Sovereign-class starships, Akira-class starships, Defiant-class starships, Nova-class starships, Luna-class starships and my guess is some of the Excelsior II-class starships are older. The Luna-class being late 2370s while the others are early 2370s or late 2360s. The Excelsior IIs may be older than that. Upgraded 2350s starships.
As for the USS Enterprise-A, it stands to reason that it was a renamed starship. The question is how old was it when it was renamed, and what ship was it renamed from? Was it a "new" ship as per Mr. Scott's logs where it had a fine engine, but something was not done correctly as the computer systems seems to mess up the doors, the transporters, and other systems during the shakedown cruise and during the ship's first mission to Nimbus III. Perhaps they eventually managed to track down the problem to the bridge module and/or computer core and replaced them (giving an excuse for the radically different bridge module in the next film).
With Utopia Planetia out of action, the place where they built Galaxy-class starships is gone. It was likely the largest ship building facility in the Federation. That is a large amount of construction potential lost to Starfleet. Sure there are other shipyards and facilities that can build or repair starships, but with the number of ships last or destroyed from the 2370s to 2380s, Starfleet has a huge hole to fill in terms of Starships. Add to this the likelihood that they were upgrading the fleet for faster warp velocities and a limited number of transwarp-like drive starships like the Dauntless and Protostar types. So Starfleet would put out a number of Inquiry-class starships and a bunch of variations on a theme starship in the likes of the Sagan-class and other STO based starships. However, if the Titan-A is anything to go off of, it would seem that some of those newer ships were built using parts from older starships. If Titan uses warp coils that are 20 or more years old, it wouldn't be that far to assume that other starships might also have older warp coils and other components of starships that were retired early due to damage or computer viral infections in the 2380s. What we don't know is if there are other Constitution III-class starships, or if the design is a purpose build starship to reuse parts from other starships.
There are also the older starships that are still in use in 2401. Sovereign-class starships, Akira-class starships, Defiant-class starships, Nova-class starships, Luna-class starships and my guess is some of the Excelsior II-class starships are older. The Luna-class being late 2370s while the others are early 2370s or late 2360s. The Excelsior IIs may be older than that. Upgraded 2350s starships.
As for the USS Enterprise-A, it stands to reason that it was a renamed starship. The question is how old was it when it was renamed, and what ship was it renamed from? Was it a "new" ship as per Mr. Scott's logs where it had a fine engine, but something was not done correctly as the computer systems seems to mess up the doors, the transporters, and other systems during the shakedown cruise and during the ship's first mission to Nimbus III. Perhaps they eventually managed to track down the problem to the bridge module and/or computer core and replaced them (giving an excuse for the radically different bridge module in the next film).
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And all of those things happened while the ship was still named Titan. So the honor of all those events should have gone to the Titan, not to an Enterprise that did none of those things.
That's not the definition of a refit.
Nope. They had tons of ships, as was seen during Frontier Day. If they wanted a new Titan with all new parts, they could have easily built one.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that they still had tons of new ships.
It was the USS Enterprise-D that stopped the Borg Queen.
Tell that to the Writing staff.
It's not like they pop out StarShips in 1 day, it takes alot more time than that to push out a new ship.
The Refit Titan was made many years ago.
They had time to get Ship Yard manufacturing back up and running.
It wasn't a immediate solution, it took time.
Which has nothing to do with renaming the Titan the Enterprise.
I would if I could.
You know this how?
The Titan was a new ship with some old parts thrown in, for no real good reason other than for Matalas to claim that it was the same ship as the old one. Again, that's not a refit.
By 2401, if they wanted a new Enterprise-G, they could have built one.
The fleet at Frontier Day was 339 starships. Of those Between 130 and 146 are older starships (Sovereign, Defiant, Nova, Akira, Luna and perhaps Excelsior IIs)
The rest of the fleet is made up of Pathfinder, Gagarin, Reliant, Edison, Inquiry, Sagan, Alita, Echelon, Odyssey, and Ross-class starships (with the USS Titan being the only Constitution III present)
The three most represented classes in the fleet are Sovereign, Luna, and Pathfinder.
The 340th Federation starship involved would be the Galaxy-class USS Enterprise-D, but she was out at Jupiter resolving the issue.
The rest of the fleet is made up of Pathfinder, Gagarin, Reliant, Edison, Inquiry, Sagan, Alita, Echelon, Odyssey, and Ross-class starships (with the USS Titan being the only Constitution III present)
The three most represented classes in the fleet are Sovereign, Luna, and Pathfinder.
The 340th Federation starship involved would be the Galaxy-class USS Enterprise-D, but she was out at Jupiter resolving the issue.
Solving the incident / crisis gives StarFleet & the UFP reason to rename the Titan to the Enterprise.
Many people wouldn't be there if the old Enterprise-D crew didn't do what they did.
Saving Earth from the Borg for a 3rd time.
=D
Have you seen the Orbital Dry-Docks?
Large Ships don't get pumped out like AutoMobiles out of a Factory.
The Larger your Vessel, the longer it takes to make & assemble.
It's not like the Replicator where you push a button and a new StarShip comes out.
You should go PM Terry Matalas and tell him that.
They chose not to, they honored it by renaming the USS Titan-A.
Blame Terry Matalas otherwise for not having a new ship.
So then why didn't they just recommission the Enterprise-D then? Why rename a ship Enterprise that didn't need to be renamed?
I saw no orbital drydocks in 2401.
That would be a waste of time.
Sounds like a dishonor to me to all the people who served on the Titan-A for its five years of existence. I could PM that to Terry as well, but it would have the same effect.
By 2401, the Enterprise-D is "Archaic", the UFP have already gone through several generations of Tech improvement.
The Ross Class literally took the Galaxy Class' role in StarFleet.
It's just a Galaxy Class with a Circular Saucer instead of a Elliptical one and a different set of Deflector Dish & Warp Nacelles.
Picard & Crew literally brought it out of Moth Balls to pull off their heroic acts, it was sheer luck that they didn't get over whelmed by the Queen's Super Cube since it was in such a weakened state that a Galaxy Class could do so much damage to it.
We were lucky that the effects of Future Admiral Janeway's Neurolytic Pathogen was so devastating that the current Borg Collective are a shell of their former selves and had to resort to trickery, and schemes to assimilate a new collective based on modifying the Transporter Pattern.
IRL reasons:
Ask Terry Matalas why he wanted to honor that ship so much.
I'm talking about throughout Star Trek, there would be Dry Docks / Orbital Shipyards, some where to produce ships.
Manufacturing wouldn't have changed that much from the earlier times in the 23rd century to the future.
We even see it in the 32nd Century that there are Orbital Dry Docks to make new ships.
That is what Twitter is for.
You're a Trek fan that has the right to voice your opinion, you should let him know how you feel.
