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Early plans reveal fate of the Suliban

F. King Daniel

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Early plans to introduce the Suliban in season 6 of Voyager, and the reason they're never seen in later series...
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Hold on, is this genuine? A couple of things are fishy. It's talking about VGR's sixth season as being in the future, but Wikipedia says that UPN commissioned the show to come either during or after VGR's seventh season. It's a little unclear when they started development, though. But the bit about encountering the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant in the early 23rd century doesn't make much sense.
 
To me it reads like they are a Delta race who are making incursions into the Alpha quadrant (else why mention quadrants at all?). Their brush with the Borg may have set them back enough that they were henceforth unable to make any more incursions.

And it may be that they just got a head start on planning - I mean there was no reason not to think there'd be another Trek series after Voyager, so they may have just got their heads down and started planning - or been told to come up with a pitch for a new series, and then that pitch was accepted later on, at the time Wikipedia states.
 
To me it reads like they are a Delta race who are making incursions into the Alpha quadrant (else why mention quadrants at all?). Their brush with the Borg may have set them back enough that they were henceforth unable to make any more incursions.

Not necessarily. Remember, "Detained" established that the Suliban were a nomadic race whose homeworld had been destroyed. Maybe that was their plan with this original idea (if it's for real) -- that the Borg would destroy their AQ homeworld and they'd migrate to the DQ over decades, like the El-Aurians in reverse. But when they actually made ENT, they retconned the loss of their homeworld to before ENT rather than after.
 
Perhaps, it does work both ways - but the former solves the problem of the Borg being in the AQ in the early 23rd Century.
 
*sings*

Oh, what kind of worthless people
Fill the universe with gloom
And run off to Future Guy because their race is doomed
The Suliban...oh, the Suliban can
The Suliban can 'cause they fill the ship with fear and make Jon Archer sad
Granted I'm still fairly new 'round here - just closing in on one year now, but that is the most whimsical response to a post I've seen yet :lol:
 
Hold on, is this genuine? A couple of things are fishy. It's talking about VGR's sixth season as being in the future, but Wikipedia says that UPN commissioned the show to come either during or after VGR's seventh season. It's a little unclear when they started development, though. But the bit about encountering the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant in the early 23rd century doesn't make much sense.
It's from Trekcore on Twitter. They're usually reliable.
 
I'd like to think the Suliban, Kralls bees, The Swarm from Voyager, Shinzon's fighters and a bunch of lifeboats are all fighting each other for legroom.

"We need a capital ship!"
 
I don't buy it. Suliban was supposedly named after the Taliban.

The Taliban first became active as a military force in 1994 and took political power in Afghanistan in 1996. Berman said that he first heard of them on a trip to Afghanistan sometime in the '90s when they were first gaining power there.
 
As far as I can tell, all filming for Enterprise was finished before 9/11 and thus the naming would be similar, but not taken for that specific reason. The group had been around for maybe a decade, but no one in the United States really heard about it much at all until 2001 (the defacing of temples in Afghanistan I think was the first time I heard that name with any meaning behind it).
 
Enterprise didn't begin to air until AFTER 911....

Yes and most of the filming and scripting finished before.

Here is a quote from Memory Alpha

The name "Suliban" was coined by Rick Berman, after the Taliban, months before the September 11, 2001 attacks. According to Berman, the "Taliban was just a mysterious, exotic name to me. Several years ago, I went to Afghanistan. I used to make documentary films and traveled around the world, and the Taliban regime was just getting a stronghold there. To me, there was something incredibly dramatic about the name Taliban. It was like something out of a Sinbad story." (TV Guide, May 5-11, 2002 ed.; brannonbraga.comwbm)
 
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Yes and most of the filming and scripting finished before.

The filming and scripting of what, specifically? You and Ithekro are both saying just Enterprise, as if you were talking about the whole series, but the series ran until 2005. So are you referring specifically to the pilot episode, "Broken Bow?"
 
The filming and scripting of what, specifically? You and Ithekro are both saying just Enterprise, as if you were talking about the whole series, but the series ran until 2005. So are you referring specifically to the pilot episode, "Broken Bow?"

Apologies, Season 1. Around half of season 1 witing was finished before filming started.
 
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