DSC 1x01: Starships and Technology

[Tim Thomason]

Here's Ship stuff from the Second episode

USS Shenzhou is an old ship. The USS Europa's registry number is NCC-1648 and has a Miranda look to it. The starship names of Clarke, Dana, Earhart, Edison, Ride, Sue, T'Plana-Hath, and the Yeager are used for the Federation Fleet. We got to see Klingon fighters, a Klingon ship that looks like a pill with Scimitar-like wings, and Starfleet shuttles. Workbees are mentioned as being on the Shenzhou.

I'm not sure about Dana, but I think the Sue might actually be the Tzu (as in Sun Tzu, who was mentioned elsewhere in the episode). All the others make sense, with Ride being almost certainly named for Sally Ride. Someone said that there was a USS Shran (an Enterprise reference), but I'd have to rewatch to confirm that.

 

[ProwlAlpha]

I'm not sure about Dana, but I think the Sue might actually be the Tzu (as in Sun Tzu, who was mentioned elsewhere in the episode). All the others make sense, with Ride being almost certainly named for Sally Ride. Someone said that there was a USS Shran (an Enterprise reference), but I'd have to rewatch to confirm that.

I forgot about the Shran and the Kerala, hopefully it is the Sun Tzu. The Sue, the Dana, and Ride are from the Closed Captioning.

 

[Ithekro]

The Columbia (NX-02) was suppose to be getting a pulse phase cannon upgrade after Enterprise (NX-01) returned from fighting the Xindi. It doesn't appear to have gotten it yet when the two ships engaged the Klingons shortly after she entered service. However they might have expanded on that in the hundred years between that incident and this one.

USS Kelvin has both beam weapons and pulse weapons (though some sources claim the rapid fire weapons in the many popup turrets were photon torpedoes. Tiny ones at that...like three inch shell sized torpedoes).

 

[F. King Daniel]

So this is the Prime Universe, and an old ship from 2256 has holographic emitters everywhere, but the state-of-the-art USS Voyager 120 years later only has holographic emitters in sickbay?

Okay.

 

[Timo]

Having holographic emitters everywhere was not new in VOY. After all, Picard and Riker had those built into their desktops.

The thing in VOY was specifically about having emitters capable of projecting the EMH (and, in "The Killing Game", the Nazis, extra Maquisards and Klingons), rather than mere images. When we see the image of Admiral Angry bitch-slapping Burnham across 500 lightyears, then we are speaking VOY level tech. Not before.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I think the 'USS Sue' was probably supposed to be USS Sioux. The new starfleet ships all looked great. There was one in particular that looked like a retro version of the Enterprise-J that stood out.

 

[Tuskin38]

So this is the Prime Universe, and an old ship from 2256 has holographic emitters everywhere, but the state-of-the-art USS Voyager 120 years later only has holographic emitters in sickbay?

Okay.

Less advanced holograms.

 

[Kemaiku]

So this is the Prime Universe, and an old ship from 2256 has holographic emitters everywhere, but the state-of-the-art USS Voyager 120 years later only has holographic emitters in sickbay?

Okay.

All Starfleet ships had the abbility to project soft light images anywhere on the ship. Voyager's sickbay had specialised projectors meant only for the EMH that could handle extraordinary data loads and hard light projections of perfect detail.

Only the Prometheus had those everywhere. Sarek's "diffuse" projection is probably incredibly smaller in bandwidth and detail, and processing even for that era.

 

[Tuskin38]

(though some sources claim the rapid fire weapons in the many popup turrets were photon torpedoes. Tiny ones at that...like three inch shell sized torpedoes).

Remember the Kelvin is bigger then she looks

 

[F. King Daniel]

Having holographic emitters everywhere was not new in VOY. After all, Picard and Riker had those built into their desktops.

The thing in VOY was specifically about having emitters capable of projecting the EMH (and, in "The Killing Game", the Nazis, extra Maquisards and Klingons), rather than mere images. When we see the image of Admiral Angry bitch-slapping Burnham across 500 lightyears, then we are speaking VOY level tech. Not before.

Timo Saloniemi

Less advanced holograms.

All Starfleet ships had the abbility to project soft light images anywhere on the ship. Voyager's sickbay had specialised projectors meant only for the EMH that could handle extraordinary data loads and hard light projections of perfect detail.

Only the Prometheus had those everywhere. Sarek's "diffuse" projection is probably incredibly smaller in bandwidth and detail, and processing even for that era.

Think how the Doctor's "isolated in sickbay" plot plays out if he could wander the ship as a non-solid, low-tech hologram at will. It doesn't work. He'd be whining about not being able to reach out and touch people outside sickbay, not the inability to exist outside the single room or holodeck.

 

[Tuskin38]

Think how the Doctor's "isolated in sickbay" plot plays out if he could wander the ship as a non-solid, low-tech hologram at will. It doesn't work. He'd be whining about not being able to reach out and touch people outside sickbay, not the inability to exist outside the single room or holodeck.

You're kind of making our point. These Holograms are not advanced as kind seen in TNG onwards

 

[F. King Daniel]

You're kind of making our point. These Holograms are not advanced as kind seen in TNG onwards

No, because he couldn't leave sickbay at all means they didn't have holographic emitters outside which means their technology is inferior to the USS Shenzhou. Even that basic technology allowing him outside to a limited extent (if these holograms really are limited, which is entirely speculation - note Holo-Sarek leaning on a desk!) would have vastly increased the EMH's quality of life in early Voyager.

 

[Tuskin38]

No, because he couldn't leave sickbay at all means they didn't have holographic emitters outside which means their technology is inferior to the USS Shenzhou. Even that basic technology allowing him outside to a limited extent (if these holograms really are limited, which is entirely speculation - note Holo-Sarek leaning on a desk!) would have vastly increased the EMH's quality of life in early Voyager.

They would be not be capable of projecting his program.

 

[Tosk]

note Holo-Sarek leaning on a desk!

He sat on an object where he was?

 

[Kemaiku]

Think how the Doctor's "isolated in sickbay" plot plays out if he could wander the ship as a non-solid, low-tech hologram at will. It doesn't work. He'd be whining about not being able to reach out and touch people outside sickbay, not the inability to exist outside the single room or holodeck.

They even said in the series that the bandwidth issues where part of the problem. The ordinary projectors would not handle that data load.

It took Belanna ages to find a way to have the ECH thing work on the bridge without his emitter.

Edit: With a real person, the projectors only need the external topography of a real person moving and doing everything themselves. The Doctor is a computer program, his entire external appearance *is* his program, the computer is not only having to project him, but computate his shell, memory, emotions, movement etc etc etc itself as well.

 

[Tosk]

They even said in the series that the bandwidth issues where part of the problem. The ordinary projectors would not handle that data load.

The same series where they had separate power for the holodeck that was somehow incompatible with any other system?

 

[F. King Daniel]

They even said in the series that the bandwidth issues where part of the problem. The ordinary projectors would not handle that data load.

It took Belanna ages to find a way to have the ECH thing work on the bridge without his emitter.

This is where we get into Voyager flawed comprehension of holograms. Surely the EMH is computer software, he exists inside the computer manifesting visually only enough to interact with the crew?

 

[Kemaiku]

The same series where they had separate power for the holodeck that was somehow incompatible with any other system?

Yes, the holodecks for some reason had a reactor underneath that supplied power directly to the holomatrix.

That might imply the circuitry and power relays are built right into the mesh and supply power at the voltage and rate only that the projection system needs, and would not power or even connect to the rest of the power grid.

This is where we get into Voyager flawed comprehension of holograms. Surely the EMH is computer software, he exists inside the computer manifesting visually only enough to interact with the crew?

Take it up with the writers then. Their explanation was always that his program was so big that only the system in Sickbay could project him in real time at all without overloading.

 

[Tosk]

Uhuh.

 

[Kemaiku]

Specialised batteries and generators exist now that can't power literally anything you feel like plugging into it.