I like Annie but I am nervous about more Borg in this series. There's so much else to explore.
News Annie Wersching will play the Borg Queen in Season 2 of Picard
- Thread starter Unimatrix Q
- Start date
Hopefully in my town!
She said in 2014 that she'd like to play the queen again
Last edited:
I'm the same age as Annie, and it doesn't feel like we are younger.
Not really. Could just mean the info was going to leak anyway so they decided to get ahead of the story and take the wind out of the tabloid sails. Similar reasons are given as to why Doctor Who always gives away casting details at seemingly inconvenient times, like announcing Christopher Eccleston's departure when the season had just started.
I thought about this as well. My thought is perhaps the announcements that are going to be made on September 8th are going to blow fans away so much that they didn't want the Annie Wersching news to get lost in the tidal wave. This way, she has her moment of introduction with the fans before the major announcements come.
This is not a denial of what I said.
That's why I said "suspect" and not that I know. They recast. It happens. They recast the actor who played Bruce Maddox because the original doesn't act anymore. They might've recast the Borg Queen again either because the actress didn't want to do it, she wasn't happy with the money they offered, she had another commitment, the producers wanted something else, there are all kinds of reasons. And we'll probably never find out which one it is.
Data's also a figment of Picard's imagination in PIC, and everything's going on in his head. So there's some leeway there. It's not "realistic" because it's not supposed to be. Whereas The Borg Queen is appearing in the "flesh". So it's not the same thing.
Picard also isn't the same thing. His new body was made to resemble someone who's 94.
Last edited:
They were vulnerable to an unsolvable geometric formula before the Queen.
Perhaps.
They never TRIED that formula, did they? We really have no idea if it would have actually worked.
In-Universe: The Borg Queen was around during the time of "The Best of Both Worlds" and thus was around during the time "I, Borg". The Borg Queen, in one form or another, has probably always been around. In-Universe.
So, retroactively, Picard was maybe hoping against hope that the puzzle would stump the Borg Queen or he knew the plan wouldn't work, but went along with it anyway, because he didn't want to divulge what he knows to his crew because that would've opened up a whole can of worms. Both of which are possible.
In "Encounter at Farpoint", Picard said he had to maintain a certain image and told Riker to see to it that that's what he projected. So I think the way Picard carried himself and what he might've thought underneath were two different things. As the Captain of the Enterprise, he'd say "We must carry out this plan to stop the Borg." Underneath he's thinking, "I have to make them think we're doing something to stop the Borg." And when it turned out that Hugh was an individual he said, "Hugh seems to be an individual so I agree that we can't send him back as a weapon against his people." It was something that sounded good. Underneath, he probably really thought, "Well, I knew that wouldn't have worked, and everyone's against it, so no point in putting the crew through these motions anymore... "
And then when Nacheyev confronted Picard about it, a year later in "Descent", he couldn't just say, "Well I knew it wouldn't work anyway" because then she'd have asked, "How did you know that? And why didn't you report this to us? What else are you hiding?"
I think in Picard, we're seeing more of the real Picard instead of image of Captain Picard that he had to project in TNG. And I think what I posted above wouldn't be out-of-line with the PIC version of Picard and what we know about the Borg now.
So, retroactively, Picard was maybe hoping against hope that the puzzle would stump the Borg Queen or he knew the plan wouldn't work, but went along with it anyway, because he didn't want to divulge what he knows to his crew because that would've opened up a whole can of worms. Both of which are possible.
In "Encounter at Farpoint", Picard said he had to maintain a certain image and told Riker to see to it that that's what he projected. So I think the way Picard carried himself and what he might've thought underneath were two different things. As the Captain of the Enterprise, he'd say "We must carry out this plan to stop the Borg." Underneath he's thinking, "I have to make them think we're doing something to stop the Borg." And when it turned out that Hugh was an individual he said, "Hugh seems to be an individual so I agree that we can't send him back as a weapon against his people." It was something that sounded good. Underneath, he probably really thought, "Well, I knew that wouldn't have worked, and everyone's against it, so no point in putting the crew through these motions anymore... "
And then when Nacheyev confronted Picard about it, a year later in "Descent", he couldn't just say, "Well I knew it wouldn't work anyway" because then she'd have asked, "How did you know that? And why didn't you report this to us? What else are you hiding?"
I think in Picard, we're seeing more of the real Picard instead of image of Captain Picard that he had to project in TNG. And I think what I posted above wouldn't be out-of-line with the PIC version of Picard and what we know about the Borg now.
Last edited:
Picard Season 3--
Borg Queen: Resistance is futile! Or was. I was going to assimilate you all, but since I found an unsolvable geometric formula to solve, the collective and I will work on that instead.
(beams away)
Seven of Nine: By our calculations, they will never solve the formula or if they do, it won't be any earlier than the 32nd century.
(Picard turns and winks at the camera)
Picard and Seven both seemed to have initially forgotten about her after being recovered.
Movie Borg and early TV Borg are different sfx.
Different timelines.
In Best of Both World, the Borg did not even use nanites/nanoprobes.
There was no Queen.
After they changed history, which we didn't see, and the 1996 movie props were used in the 1990 tv episodes, in the do-over of the Battle of Wolf 359 there was a Queen.
Different timelines.
In Best of Both World, the Borg did not even use nanites/nanoprobes.
There was no Queen.
After they changed history, which we didn't see, and the 1996 movie props were used in the 1990 tv episodes, in the do-over of the Battle of Wolf 359 there was a Queen.
How do you figure with Seven? Honest question, not trying to do a "gotcha!"
First Contact came out in '96. "Scorpion, Part II", Seven's first appearance, came out in '97. So the VOY writers would've had FC in mind while they were writing their Borg episodes. Especially considering that Brannon Braga co-wrote FC and he was pretty high-up the food-chain in the VOY writing staff during Season 4. Second only to Jeri Taylor, the Showrunner at the time, before he became Showrunner himself in Season 5.
Seven even references First Contact in "Year of Hell", only a third of the way through the fourth season (her first on Voyager).
Last edited:
She doesn't initially recognize the Queen's voice in "Dark Frontier."
I think I'll give the Borg Queen episodes another watch before PIC Season 2. Actually, scratch the first part of that sentence, because it's very likely that's what I'll be doing.
Before PIC, I re-watched every episode of TNG and every Seven-focused episode of VOY, to re-familiarize myself with those characters in particular and what PIC was following up on in general. Picard and Seven were really my focus. And I also looked at how Roddenberry Trek slowly became Berman Trek and wanted to get a sense of how that was before the TNG+ story would be picked up by Kurtzman Trek.
I want to do a more surgical re-watch this time, before going into S2. Focusing on Q, the Borg Queen, etc.
Last edited:
It's tough to remember exactly what I thought 22 years ago. I remember I knew about the casting before I watched the episode. I think I had seen pictures of Susanna Thompson and the way I saw it, in my mind, at that time, this was a new Borg Queen of the same species. It wasn't a recasting. It was a Borg Queen of the same species which was suited to the role of Queen. It wasn't until Endgame that I realized they were one and the same. I think this was touched upon in the episode 'Dark Frontier' that species 125 made good Queens.
Similar threads
