Actually I don't believe they did. I recall reading some deal was made for season 2 which allowed the use of the lower-poly, distance-only Star Trek Online ships. It was done as a direct result of the reaction to the fleet in season 1.
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I agree, especially stupid when it is an intelligent adult woman
Brian Tatosky has said a few times that it was a special, above-and-beyond effort to source the Eaglemoss and STO models because he thought the copy-and-paste fleet was unacceptable and reflected badly on the production.
I would've expected that the Eaglemoss digital ship library, especially, would've had an eye towards reuse on future productions, though I guess Star Trek is a big institution and the left hand and right hand don't always talk the way you'd think from the outside.
And what was her reasoning? "Jean-Luc, you were living a dangerous life and I was risking making him grow up without a father. My solution was to make him live a dangerous life and grow up without a father!"
Beverly, WTF?!?
The most baffling thing to me is still the fact that Gates McFadden defended this whole trope wreck of a "I ran away with Jean-Luc's child and told no one for reasons that make no sense whatsoever" plot. Granted, she might have had to do so for promotional reasons, but come ON... it really did a disserve to her character. Crusher has never been a total fan favorite to begin with, granted, but this whole thing made her downright unlikeable.
It would have been so easy to just make Vash the mom. The kid could have been made a little older (being more in line with the actor's actual age) because who knows how/when/where Vash would have resurfaced AND Vash is the type who would never tell Jean-Luc that he has a child, etc etc. But noooo, they had to shoehorn Picard/Crusher tension into the whole mix because "we need to bring back as many things about TNG as we can, including this one, regardless of whether it makes sense or not".
It would have been so easy to just make Vash the mom. The kid could have been made a little older (being more in line with the actor's actual age) because who knows how/when/where Vash would have resurfaced AND Vash is the type who would never tell Jean-Luc that he has a child, etc etc. But noooo, they had to shoehorn Picard/Crusher tension into the whole mix because "we need to bring back as many things about TNG as we can, including this one, regardless of whether it makes sense or not".
While I'm always happy to have new ship designs (and they really hit it out of the park with the Sagan class Stargazer), I think the choices they made for the other ships could have been much better. They used a design that looks 90% like a Galaxy class, a design that looks 90% like a Nebula class, a design that was made from a DSC ship, and a design for an update to the Miranda class that looks straight out of a video game (oh, the irony!) And don't even get me started on the Enterprise-F.
It's not just you. It makes absolutely no sense and is completely out of character for Crusher to have done what she did. It's just stupid Matalas nonsense.
Not just you. I will admit I'm somewhat biased when it comes to Jean-Luc, but even when I try to not look at this in a biased way I still think it's unforgivable. Especially since Crusher knew him better than most people. He can be a stubborn and pompous jerk at times, absolutely, and he's an incredibly complicated man to deal with on an emotional level, but he WOULD have gone out of his way to be a good father for Jack, regardless of whether he and Crusher had been in a relationship or friends or barely on speaking terms or whatever else.
I can't bring myself to like so many of those STO designs they brought into season 3 of Picard. They all look like B-team fan designs that are out of place in a professional production... and most are just plain fucking ugly, especially the goddamn Enterprise-F.
This is the only part that isn't true.
Are you guys the same folks who hated Pulaski because she was mean to Data in one episode?
Come on. Do you even know what character assassination means? It doesn't sound like it. She did nothing of the sort. Her decision had nothing to do with Picard's character.
Her decision was based on 2 things. Mostly fear. Fear of losing another son. And fear of Picard's son being a target. Nothing to do with Picard's character.
The other piece is that she found out after they broke up. She knows he doesn't like kids. She knows they are not gonna be together. She did not eant it to seem like she did it to keep them together.
I can see that. At least initially. Do I agree with it? Probably not. Is it the strongest plot point? No. Do I necessarily buy that as a reason not to talk to Geordi for 20 years? Nope. Troi maybe. But is it some unbelievably silly decision? I don't think so.
It isn't a tell/no tell decision. It is a tell/no tell decision where telling could endanger her son. And, for what it is worth, she DID end up telling Jack and left it up to him. Though that does tend to undercut her original rationale.
I'd say leaving Data plugged in to the ship, with the partition down, at the same time you are trying to trap Vadic & co, is WAAAAAY dumber and detrimental to the season. For me at least. I mean, what could go wrong there? Eps 6-7 are the low points of the season, for me at least, for that reason.
Or Disco S2 not jumping away and THEN building the dang suit. Would have had plenty of time.
Or Kirk violating protocols and not raising shields in Khan?
For me, eps 4, 5, 8, and 9 were outstanding. 10 was darn good payoff despite a flaw here and there getting there. Ep 3 was excellent up until Riker's tantrum at the end. Thought Ep 1 was very good. Ep 2 as well. For me that is pretty strong. I just re-watched it.
So I will stand up for Beverly (a bit) and S3 here. And from what I can see y'all are a tiny majority in regards to S3. Check that RT score again.
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Speaking purely as a father....
She robbed Jean-Luc of being a father, without even giving him a chance. That's the unforgivable part.
Did she have her reasons? Sure, I guess. Shortsighted as they were. But she still took that experience from him, one of the greatest experiences a human being can have.
And saying he doesn't like kids is a cop out. I know lots of people who didn't like kids, until they had one of their own. She could have told him and they could have decided together how to go about things, but she didn't even respect or trust him enough for that.
She's dead to me.
I mean, as much as she wanted to keep Jack safe they also went to unsecured territories resulting in him becoming a criminal and being a wanted man.
Can only speak for myself but I love Pulaski, always have, she's the main reason why TNG's season 2 is my favorite. So nope, no Pulaski hate here.
And I get being afraid of having a kid being influenced by a dad who's been in danger pretty much all his adult life. Especially since she already lost her husband in an accident and then later also Wesley due to whatever that whole Traveler stuff is. However... how about simply TALKING to Jean-Luc about it. He's not a monster. He of all people would have understood her fears. And since they obviously couldn't make a relationship work, it would have been pretty clear that she and the kid would have gone in a different direction anyway. The point is she didn't even give Jean-Luc a chance to at least be a dad who visits from time to time. And what about the kid. Doesn't the kid also deserve to... idk... have a dad who's at least there from time to time? It's not that Jean-Luc is a terrible guy who has to be kept away from his kid at all costs. She claims she never prevented Jack from seeking out his father but... really? Of course he didn't seek him out, he knew how much this would have hurt his mom. I dont know. I don't like the way she manipulated things here. Parents using their kids as some kind of weapon against the other parent are... not among my favorites. Let's just leave it at that.
And I get being afraid of having a kid being influenced by a dad who's been in danger pretty much all his adult life. Especially since she already lost her husband in an accident and then later also Wesley due to whatever that whole Traveler stuff is. However... how about simply TALKING to Jean-Luc about it. He's not a monster. He of all people would have understood her fears. And since they obviously couldn't make a relationship work, it would have been pretty clear that she and the kid would have gone in a different direction anyway. The point is she didn't even give Jean-Luc a chance to at least be a dad who visits from time to time. And what about the kid. Doesn't the kid also deserve to... idk... have a dad who's at least there from time to time? It's not that Jean-Luc is a terrible guy who has to be kept away from his kid at all costs. She claims she never prevented Jack from seeking out his father but... really? Of course he didn't seek him out, he knew how much this would have hurt his mom. I dont know. I don't like the way she manipulated things here. Parents using their kids as some kind of weapon against the other parent are... not among my favorites. Let's just leave it at that.
Let's remember that there are a lot of men who do dangerous jobs in the real world. It's not that all mothers of their (future) children run away in terror of what could happen.
And I would like to remind you for the umpteenth time that Beverly obviously had unprotected sex so a pregnancy was in the realm of possibilities. We are not talking about an inexperienced minor who still has to be told about bees and flowers. But a doctor who has already had a child.
And I would like to remind you for the umpteenth time that Beverly obviously had unprotected sex so a pregnancy was in the realm of possibilities. We are not talking about an inexperienced minor who still has to be told about bees and flowers. But a doctor who has already had a child.
Protected sex today can still lead to preganancy so I've been told, and even in the 23rd century things are still not perfect.
Trauma can do weird things to people, that's true. But had she been 20,000 light years away, helping a non-fed world for years and stranded with no subspace communication, it would've been way more acceptable to have never told JL.
That she can beep his old communicator when she needs him, but not tell him he's a dad, borders on toxic. I loved this season, but that sucker was too close to home for me.
To be fair, their whole 'relationship' seems to more than just border on toxic. Trying to make it work for what, FIVE times? I mean come ON.
What I liked:
That we got both, a new approach in season 1 and 2, and nostalgia in season 3. That PIC gave a wonderful closure to the TNG crew, correcting the terrible previous ending of NEM. The general character development of most old characters worked for me. And I liked the new characters, some more than others. And I found many character moments and dialogues wonderful.
What I didn't like:
The season arcs felt convoluted, ill-designed and inconsistent, especially in season 2. Too many ideas, which were nice in themselves, were brought in but not really developed, just dropped and then forgotten. In season 3, only the nostalgia and good character moments made up for it. The visuals of the ship interiors were too dark in season 2 and 3. Also, the three seasons didn't feel like seasons of the same show, as developments of previous seasons were more or less ignored later, like the development of the Borg.
On the bottom line, I say PIC was a mixed bag, with convoluted, uneven story arcs, but the show could make up for that to some extent with great character moments and interactions. Because of that, the show failed to be more than the sum of its parts, but I really enjoyed many of these parts.
That we got both, a new approach in season 1 and 2, and nostalgia in season 3. That PIC gave a wonderful closure to the TNG crew, correcting the terrible previous ending of NEM. The general character development of most old characters worked for me. And I liked the new characters, some more than others. And I found many character moments and dialogues wonderful.
What I didn't like:
The season arcs felt convoluted, ill-designed and inconsistent, especially in season 2. Too many ideas, which were nice in themselves, were brought in but not really developed, just dropped and then forgotten. In season 3, only the nostalgia and good character moments made up for it. The visuals of the ship interiors were too dark in season 2 and 3. Also, the three seasons didn't feel like seasons of the same show, as developments of previous seasons were more or less ignored later, like the development of the Borg.
On the bottom line, I say PIC was a mixed bag, with convoluted, uneven story arcs, but the show could make up for that to some extent with great character moments and interactions. Because of that, the show failed to be more than the sum of its parts, but I really enjoyed many of these parts.
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