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Crazy Eddie

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Thinking back on First Contact, suddenly I had a thought: Zephram Cochrane is the inventor of warp drive, but he's obviously not the inventor of the impulse engine also. Even the earliest Starfleet ships were equipped with impulse drives, so when did this critical piece of technology arrive? Was there a time when Earth vessels cruised around with only warp drive and then had to make due with hydrazine rockets for sublight travel?

While pondering this, I also got to thinking about Cochrane's "genius" and what else he might have had to invent before developing warp drive, maybe spending a few years teaching physics at Cal Tech before the war... when suddenly it hit me: Zephram Cochrane didn't invent warp drive, Zephram Cochrane invented the warp engine. This may seem like hair splitting, but follow this: the Wright Brothers didn't invent Bermuli's Principle or any of the underlying physics that are involved in generating lift. They understood those concepts well enough--having studied them from the works of past physicists--and applied them in a way that allowed the creation of a working aircraft. Likewise, the underlying physics behind "space warp" were probably well understood (at least theoretically) long before the Phoenix was even on the drawing board, but a WARP ENGINE was another matter entirely, and beyond the reach of human science, until Zephram Cochrane stumbled on some invention or technique or substance or idea that made the theory testable.

Just what Cochrane invented to make the engine possible is debatable. But looking back, I am struck with the possibility that "space warp" and "impulse" might actually be generic terms for two different TYPES of propulsion by any number of means. It's possible, for example, that "warp drive" is a term that describes any field-propulsion system that produces movement by warping space, where "impulse" is a propulsion system that does it the old fashioned way. In this case, "warp drive" would be a class of propulsion systems, like how "jet engine" can describe turbofans, turbojets, ramjets, scramjets, sometimes even rockets.



So a question, and a theory: since we know the idea of "subspace fields" wasn't really developed until TNG years anyway, maybe we don't HAVE to retcon this back into TOS/ENT/First Contact years? I suggest that it's possible that warp drive systems prior to the 24th century may not have used subspace fields at all, that they might have used something as mundane as an artificial gravity field projected in front of the ship, or even an Alcubierre drive for that matter. Similar division may also hold for impulse engines; it's possible that multiple different types of engines are in use throughout history, some involving chemical propellants, some being a type of electric/field drive, some being plasma/thrust type, perhaps a few even using a warp-like technique to provide a physical push on part of the ship?

Or in extreme summary: at least in the case of engines, what are the odds that the technology itself is inconsistent enough that two otherwise similar vessels might use COMPLETELY different technologies to achieve the exact same effect?
 
Well, we do know that generally, any type of FTL propulsion is called "warp", or something similar like "transwarp". Unless it was clearly something completely different, like the "Wave rider" or "Quantum slipstream".
 
I think you're right, it's almost certain that Cochrane didn't develop warp science out of whole cloth. The necessary theoretical breakthrough was probably made before World War III, possibly by Cochrane, possibly by someone(s) else. Cochrane, it seems more likely, was more of a materials scientist and engineer who developed the unknowable stuff that cheaply translates electromangetic energy into a spacetime warp effect, without the physically ludicrous energy requirements of the "classical" Alcubierre drive.
 
Maybe impulse is like warp drive that's just slower than the speed of light.

I'm sure that somewhere in the universe there's an impulse engine that works similar to warp drive, and I'm sure that Starfleet has used such a device at one time or another. But as I stated in the OP, "impulse" may not actually refer to any specific type of engine, it may actually describe a CLASS of engine that propels a starship through some method other than space warp.
 
In Balance of Terror Scotty referred to Impulse as if it were a lesser class of FTL rather than sublight. So I'm assuming that it's an FTL that has a power source inferior to the ENT's antimatter core.
 
^ Well if you go by the theory in my OP, Scotty is simply pointing out that the Romulan ship is not traveling by way of a space warp device. That doesn't necessarily have any implications for the type of power system being used (which Scotty couldn't possibly know), but only that whatever the Romulans were using for a star drive involved SOME kind of action/reaction system. Kirk takes this to mean that the Enterprise can outrun them; not necessarily because Enterprise is FASTER, but because of something implicit in the nature of impulse-style engines that means it doesn't really matter what (if anything) is the Bird of Prey's top speed, because the Enterprise can always accelerated to that speed much faster.

The Bird of Prey would have to have a VERY powerful engine core in order to do all the things it did in Balance of Terror, but for some reason the Romulans didn't equip it with a space warp device. It's possible that cutting space warp out of the equation was one of the solutions to the power costs of the cloaking device: since warp drive consumes fantastic amounts of power, the only way for the ship to be cloaked and still mobile is for it to use a less power-hungry impulse system. Obviously, that impulse engine consumes alot of FUEL, which is the trade off.

Perhaps that explains the cloaked ships we saw in ENT? 22nd century bird of preys were probably limited to maneuvering thrusters while cloaked, unable to generate enough power to travel any significant distance.
 
Maybe impulse is like warp drive that's just slower than the speed of light.

I'm sure that somewhere in the universe there's an impulse engine that works similar to warp drive, and I'm sure that Starfleet has used such a device at one time or another. But as I stated in the OP, "impulse" may not actually refer to any specific type of engine, it may actually describe a CLASS of engine that propels a starship through some method other than space warp.
I've always liked impulse as an acronym for "intertial magnatomic pulse".

...whatever that means. :)
 
I don't think it's possible for BoT to work if the Romulan ship didn't have FTL capacity. Otherwise there'd be no way for it to get to the outposts as fast as it did. I just think that Impulse refers to an FTL inferior to anti-matter powered FTL.
 
The Romulan ship might not of had FTL capacities if it was dropped off close to the Neutral Zone from a FTL carrier.
 
Maybe impulse is like warp drive that's just slower than the speed of light.

In fact, an Alcubierre-type space warp would be more feasible at sublight than at hyperlight; pretty much all the problems that might make it unattainable apply only at FTL speeds. So it would be easier to make it work as a sublight drive than a hyperlight drive


^ Well if you go by the theory in my OP, Scotty is simply pointing out that the Romulan ship is not traveling by way of a space warp device. That doesn't necessarily have any implications for the type of power system being used (which Scotty couldn't possibly know), but only that whatever the Romulans were using for a star drive involved SOME kind of action/reaction system.

Actually Scotty didn't say a word about their propulsion. What he actually said, verbatim, was "Their power is simple impulse." So you have it backwards.

And Anwar's right -- it is simply impossible that the Romulans lacked FTL drive. The Bird of Prey travelled from one border outpost to another, destroying four of them in the space of only a few days at most, and then was able to stay a fair distance ahead of the Enterprise during pursuit. The only way it could work at sublight speeds is if all of Romulan territory were the size of only a single star system -- less, even. And that doesn't match what was shown on the map in BoT. If we assume the large dots are star systems, then the outposts are several light-years apart. The Bird of Prey's course took it to Outposts 2, 3, 4, and 8 within a few days. There is absolutely no question that it had faster-than-light capability.

Not to mention that it would've been impossible for the Romulans to wage a long, bloody war against Earth without FTL drive, given that we know Earth had FTL at the time. It would've been a ludicrous mismatch, like a nation with only canoes and pushcarts and crossbows trying to battle a nation with hypersonic jets and ICBMs.
 
I don't think it's possible for BoT to work if the Romulan ship didn't have FTL capacity. Otherwise there'd be no way for it to get to the outposts as fast as it did. I just think that Impulse refers to an FTL inferior to anti-matter powered FTL.
That, or they were simply limited to impulse while cloaked. This would also explain their problems with fuel - all that plasma for the torpedoes and impulse drive runs out fast.

I agree that they had warp drive, to be sure - no doubt about it. But I think it likely that they cloaked and ran on impulse only when they got near anyone's sensors.
 
I believe that they could not power a warp engine and cloaking device at the same time.
If they used warp drive, why wasn't a warp trail(s) discovered near the listening posts by the Neutral Zone?
 
^ Well if you go by the theory in my OP, Scotty is simply pointing out that the Romulan ship is not traveling by way of a space warp device. That doesn't necessarily have any implications for the type of power system being used (which Scotty couldn't possibly know), but only that whatever the Romulans were using for a star drive involved SOME kind of action/reaction system.

Actually Scotty didn't say a word about their propulsion. What he actually said, verbatim, was "Their power is simple impulse." So you have it backwards.
Unless Scotty was referring to what was known of Romulan ships a century ago (and Spock would never have let him get away with that) he is almost certainly referring to their engine design; the power source for that engine design COULD NOT have been known by Enterprise, but if Spock was tracking some kind of ion trail from their engines, "simple impulse" could be inferred from the fact that the ship was maneuvering--and at FTL velocities no less--by producing thrust.

And Anwar's right -- it is simply impossible that the Romulans lacked FTL drive.
Never said they did. Just the overall theory from the OP "impulse" probably describes a TYPE of drive system, not a set of uses or even a range of speeds. The only thing that is implied here is that, for the purposes of this pursuit, an impulse-driven starship would not be able to outrun a warp driven ship. Probably this is because of the distances involved: the Bird of Prey didn't have enough room to build up acceleration and Enterprise--with its warp drive--wouldn't need it.

There's no doubt in my mind that some impulse-powered ships ARE capable of FTL (Where No Man Has Gone Before being one prime example, and also the fact that Orta's ships which don't even have warp drive are so far away from Bajor). At issue here is whether "impulse power" means anything as specific as we think it does. I submit that it does not; it's probably as general a term as "jet powered" or "propeller driven."
 
^I assume that Orta and the other Bajora refugees were relocated to that system by FTL ships, and then Orta's people obtained interplanetary ships for in-system use. I mean, if an American living in Tokyo owns a car, that doesn't mean he drove across the Pacific in that very car.

And I think that if you can track a ship's ion trail, it can tell you what kind of power source it's using. Scotty's an engineer; if he'd meant propulsion, he would've said propulsion. He said "their power."
 
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