Final Trailer!

[fireproof78]

Sure looks like the Army of the 12 Monkeys boarding the Titan-A...

That's a monkey?

I think DSC, PIC, and ENT all suck. Whatcha gonna do with that?

Wonder if I'm no longer posting in the PIC forum...?

 

[DaveyNY]

I think DSC, PIC, and ENT all suck.

Just remember that for a lot of folks, that's foreplay.

 

[James Cole]

That's a monkey?

Wonder if I'm no longer posting in the PIC forum...?

The group of primary antagonists in the TV series 12 Monkeys is called the "Army of the 12 Monkeys". Many of them wear masks a lot like the ones seen used by Vadic's followers boarding the ship in the latest trailer.

 

[fireproof78]

The group of primary antagonists in the TV series 12 Monkeys is called the "Army of the 12 Monkeys". Many of them wear masks a lot like the ones seen used by Vadic's followers boarding the ship in the latest trailer.

I thought it was a plague doctor's mask...

 

[James Cole]

I thought it was a plague doctor's mask...

More or less yes, but the show had their own ones made based on a specific design

 

[cooleddie74]

Conference room builder: Choose your favorite Enterprises, just not all of them please.
Picard: I want the Probert-C, not the real one!

[*Looks around worriedly*]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.

 

[Amasov]

I think we're getting a fake out with Spiner's "Lore character. Just remember what Terry Matalas said back in August:

“Brent’s character is specifically tied into the plot and the mythology in ways that if you were to show a poster, you would have a thousand more questions. And I think you want to earn it. But he plays a new old character that you have seen and never seen before. it’s, we think, a great way to do this that honors what has come before yet treads new ground.”

He also explained that the team feels Spiner’s character is best revealed within the show itself, stating that the way the character plays itself out will be progressive. When the character is revealed, you’ll think you know who it is, but won’t be quite certain if you’re correct. The answer to who he will be is not quite clear for a bit.

My theory:
1.The crew needs Data
2. Data is stored in B4
3.Only Lore’s positronic brain can handle Data
4.(After the transfer) We’ll get three distinct personalities that eventually meld into a new character (?).
*Or Lore and B4 eventually become aspects of Data’s prominent “new” personality.

Honestly, I hope not. And it's not that I don't love Data, but, season one made this whole big thing about letting go of him and to just undo that would be a very bad choice, in my opinion.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

More or less yes, but the show had their own ones made based on a specific design

But the masks look nothing like monkeys

 

[Danja]

I think we're getting a fake out with Spiner's "Lore character. Just remember what Terry Matalas said back in August:

“Brent’s character is specifically tied into the plot and the mythology in ways that if you were to show a poster, you would have a thousand more questions. And I think you want to earn it. But he plays a new old character that you have seen and never seen before. it’s, we think, a great way to do this that honors what has come before yet treads new ground.”

He also explained that the team feels Spiner’s character is best revealed within the show itself, stating that the way the character plays itself out will be progressive. When the character is revealed, you’ll think you know who it is, but won’t be quite certain if you’re correct. The answer to who he will be is not quite clear for a bit.

My theory:
1.The crew needs Data
2. Data is stored in B4
3.Only Lore’s positronic brain can handle Data
4.(After the transfer) We’ll get three distinct personalities that eventually meld into a new character (?).
*Or Lore and B4 eventually become aspects of Data’s prominent “new” personality.

It's a fairly common trope across Trek: Erase one person to save someone else (see "Tuvix" and "Similitude").

 

[fireproof78]

More or less yes, but the show had their own ones made based on a specific design

Alrighty then...I still don't see the monkey but it sounds like it means some to other people so...cheers!

 

[James Cole]

In PIC Season 1, they had clothing that looked too contemporary. I don't buy it as the turn of the 25th Century.

LOL. This comes up in my watching notes several times. It's like half the wardrobe was furnished from the nearby outlet mall.

But the masks look nothing like monkeys

&

Alrighty then...I still don't see the monkey but it sounds like it means some to other people so...cheers!

The monkey imagery is symbolic. It isn't reflected in the masks themselves. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't want to go too in depth as it might spoil the show mythology for new viewers.

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Post edited to add a YouTube of the show's intro as there were reports the picture was not visible to some

 

[NCC-73515]

[*Looks around worriedly*]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.

And don't you dare put that ugly refit B on my wall!! There's only one Excelsior!!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's a fairly common trope across Trek: Erase one person to save someone else (see "Tuvix" and "Similitude").

See Charles Dickens, cribbed in TWOK. And then see TWOK.

 

[Lord Garth]

The lighting: I can see things just fine. I just watched it again.

• A lot of the lighting is high-contrast. I'm a huge fan of high-contrast.
• Some of the lighting is drab. I don't particularly care for drab lighting, but it's not a deal-breaker.
• There's a lot of orange-and-teal. Movies these days are orange-and-teal. Since they want it to look like a movie, that's what it is. I don't love the orange-and-teal look in general, but I know it's the norm, so I can live with it. Fortunately, there are greens and reds in there too.

I never thought I'd ever make a TrekBBS post devoted solely to lighting but, since we were bludgeoned by it earlier in the thread, I thought I'd give it a highlight. Pun intended.

 

[ToddCam]

DSC Klingon look explanation: In the decades after the augment virus, attempts were made to do cosmetic surgeries as well as genetic therapy. By the 2250s some of the genetic therapies resulted in ridges resembling those on DSC, and fashion followed suit for those who could afford it. During the 2260s, the tide had turned against prosthetic ridges in the public eye, and so most Klingons in the military went without. By the 2270s, genetic treatments started getting closer, and eventually all Klingons had the treatment, perhaps forcibly like in the novel Forged in Fire depicted. (Obligatory IT'S NOT CANON.)

 

[James Cole]

The lighting: I can see things just fine. I just watched it again.

• A lot of the lighting is high-contrast. I'm a huge fan of high-contrast.
• Some of the lighting is drab. I don't particularly care for drab lighting, but it's not a deal-breaker.
• There's a lot of orange-and-teal. Movies these days are orange-and-teal. Since they want it to look like a movie, that's what it is. I don't love the orange-and-teal look in general, but I know it's the norm, so I can live with it. Fortunately, there are greens and reds in there too.

I never thought I'd ever make a TrekBBS post devoted solely to lighting but, since we were bludgeoned by it earlier in the thread, I thought I'd give it a highlight. Pun intended.

In his latest live stream, Robert Meyer Burnett addressed the lighting complaints.
-- Terry Matalas was able to bring in his own cinematographer
-- Not the same grim/dark
-- "It's far more bright and colorful than you'd imagine it being"
-- "None of the trailers have... captured.. the character and emotion in the season that's even been hinted at in those trailers"

 

[Danja]

LOL. This comes up in my watching notes several times. It's like half the wardrobe was furnished from the nearby outlet mall.

They got the decor from IKEA.

They have panthers. And there's very small differences.

My quick Wikipedia search says there's Cougars in Florida.
So I guess it's just an error of using the wrong term for the region.

They cross-bred the Florida Panther with some cougars from Texas back in the nineties. That's helped some.

 

[James Cole]

They got the decor from IKEA.

Haha, well, from my notes...

• Ten forward window oops
• Data's makeup seems off
• "dude" -- language isn't really period
• furnishing by IKEA?!?
• Romulan Prodigy tie in

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

They also did Season 2, so I wonder if they'll bite their tongue and do Season 3 as well.

They seemed fairly done with NuTrek after the Discovery Reviews. Mike saying what he did in the 2022 Recap Video seems to kibosh the idea of them doing more videos as really its only Rich and Mike that care about Trek among the whole crew.

Unless they could get Jack Quaid in again, they're old friends with him. But I think the humour of Lower Decks would be far too much for Mike to stomach if the quips and moments Mount and others gets to him. (There'd probably be angry yelling at the seemingly adlibbed Pirate accent.)

The group of primary antagonists in the TV series 12 Monkeys is called the "Army of the 12 Monkeys". Many of them wear masks a lot like the ones seen used by Vadic's followers boarding the ship in the latest trailer.

It feels a bit like a Casual Audience Easter Egg, or for fans of 12 Monkeys to give a Trek show a try as many folks won't know Matalas' deep involvement with Trek in his early career but will know him as the 12 monkeys dude.

In his latest live stream, Robert Meyer Burnett addressed the lighting complaints.
-- Terry Matalas was able to bring in his own cinematographer
-- Not the same grim/dark
-- "It's far more bright and colorful than you'd imagine it being"
-- "None of the trailers have... captured.. the character and emotion in the season that's even been hinted at in those trailers"

If it's one of the same Cinematographers he used in 12 Monkeys we're still seeing a very muted lighting pallette, which certainly seems to be the case in the "non action" pieces we've seen so far as well. Even Picard's study in the chateau seems weirdly muted when he's trying to read.

 

[fireproof78]

The monkey imagery is symbolic. It isn't reflected in the masks themselves. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't want to go too in depth as it might spoil the show mythology for new viewers.

The image isn't showing up. So, I'll take your word for it.