Q *should* have had a break after AGT was such a strong episode and conclusion and also putting him and Kirk in the same film would have felt both busy and cheap, kind of emphasize that they were doing a crossover to do a crossover. It could have worked but I think the Nexus and Soran did work pretty well, albeit given the low expectations that doing a crossover would always feel at best a bit contrived.
Would Generations had been better off had they used Q instead?
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The mistake the producers made was that, once the idea for AGT came up, they didn’t toss the Generations script into the nearest incinerator and make AGT into the feature debut of the Enterprise-D.
All the studio-mandated things in Generations could’ve been accommodated in a feature-length All Good Things. The multiple time periods could’ve brought in the TOS cast. The E-D could’ve crashed on primeval Earth. Etc. Etc.
One reason I found Generations so disappointing was that All Good Things, despite being built around Q (who I don’t generally like very much) was a much stronger story.
IMHO.
All the studio-mandated things in Generations could’ve been accommodated in a feature-length All Good Things. The multiple time periods could’ve brought in the TOS cast. The E-D could’ve crashed on primeval Earth. Etc. Etc.
One reason I found Generations so disappointing was that All Good Things, despite being built around Q (who I don’t generally like very much) was a much stronger story.
IMHO.
I never liked Q much. As we all know, Roddenberry was smoking the Trelane weed and really seemed to want to create a version of him. The really early appearances made it feel like it was Trelane in a new form. Over time, they hit upon the comedy aspect, but I liked him better as a sinister force. He just needed to be involved less than he was. Like the Borg, though, Voyager totally deballed him.
We tamed fire a million years ago, and it still kills us from time to time. It's reasonable to assume that it will still be periodically wiping us out in the future. Any anti-fire technology can fail, after all.
I'm aware and we do see that but in this instance it strikes me as quite poorly done.
After using Q in the TNG finale, the first movie would've been a bit soon to use him again. But I think it was a definite missed opportunity not to use him in one of the later films. I certainly would rather have seen that than Insurrection or Nemesis.
I mean, yeah that is possible of course. But Picards comment is so vague that it feels very off for the tech.
It was too soon for Q in Generations. Insurrection or Nemesis would have been a better fit. The only real value for Q being in Generations is to meet Kirk, and its not like Q would have had any problems there. And Q never seemed to have an interest in meeting anyone from the TOS era.
You're probably right, but Q as with the Borg was shipped off to Voyager and they were using them regularly, while the movies were moving away from this. I don't think the movie productions had the mind set to produce a big Q story for the movies. If they did one, where would they go with it? Would the budget support such a thing? What would've been the tone of the movie? As for Generations, I thought after "All Good Things..." was done so well, I would have like to see Berman put that character to rest. Maybe to be seen in the 6th TNG movie to once again wrap things up, but that didn't happen. I'm still not convinced Nemesis was really and truly a final movie intention because it just didn't feel that way ala TUC. I'm guessing the theory was to have Data, the so called popular character, be killed and fans would come in droves to see the movie, get a similar response to Spock's death and launch a demand to bring back the crew to get Data back through B4.
The problem with Q (imo) is that he was overused. They came up with a fun concept and then drove it into the ground. They did the same thing with Lwaxana except that her concept was far less fun and became annoying quickly.
Not so sure about that. Season 7 isn't all that great and I can't see potential seasons 8 and 9 varying too far from those kinds of stories.
Generations is terrible. I don't like TNG but Season 8 couldn't have been worse.
I just watched Generations again. I literally don't think I'd seen it since it came out. Wasn't nearly as bad as I thought. Of course, I also recently rewatched Ferris Buehler's Day Off so seeing Cameron as the captain of an Enterprise was a bit jarring 
Overall, not bad. A fun romp. Not great mind you but I don't regret the re-watch. Although, I doubt I'll ever watch it again.
Seeing Lursa and B'etor bite it was a highlight. Yeah, the Nexus was contrived nonsense, losing the Ent D was stupid, Jean Luc's family dying in something as mundane as a fire was stupid, and really there was no reason to bridge the TOS movie series with the TNG movie series by using Kirk and friends. I also find it odd that Picard didn't take the Kurlan naiskos given how rare an archaeological find it was. He just tosses the thing aside.
An earlier thread suggests that maybe what we saw in the movie was a replica and the original was stored in a safe place off ship. I guess that works as good as any explanation even if it's baseless speculation/opinion.
Overall, not bad. A fun romp. Not great mind you but I don't regret the re-watch. Although, I doubt I'll ever watch it again.
Seeing Lursa and B'etor bite it was a highlight. Yeah, the Nexus was contrived nonsense, losing the Ent D was stupid, Jean Luc's family dying in something as mundane as a fire was stupid, and really there was no reason to bridge the TOS movie series with the TNG movie series by using Kirk and friends. I also find it odd that Picard didn't take the Kurlan naiskos given how rare an archaeological find it was. He just tosses the thing aside.
An earlier thread suggests that maybe what we saw in the movie was a replica and the original was stored in a safe place off ship. I guess that works as good as any explanation even if it's baseless speculation/opinion.
Just had a random thought back to when Generations came out Feb 95 (for uk) as I queued to go into a nightclub there was a 6ft backlit Generations movie poster standee in the entrance to the club (the poster was obviously influenced by the beautiful Tom Jung 25th anniversary Kirk/Picard poster) .. I was like damn Trek is now deemed cool enough for a big backlit poster standee thing to promote 'Star Trek VII' in a nightclub foyer for all us 17 year olds lol..
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The big problem was killing Kirk. I think had they done a story that brought Kirk into the 24th century, and they had an adventure that required Kirk to do something other than fight Picard's battle and die, which anyone could have done, it would have been much different.
Maybe something that involved a sequel to a TOS episode in the 24th century. There were a bunch of things. Maybe something happens that requires Kirk, but Kirk disappeared in the 23rd century shortly after the events of ST6. Perhaps Kirk's disappearance actually occurs because he was needed in the 24th century.
Or expand the story that doesn't just have Kirk, but have Kirk with Sulu, Uhura and Chekov at the time. Perhaps they were searching for Scotty, and we meet up with Scotty, Spock and McCoy in the 24th century, where whatever the plot device is, has both ships uniting. In fact, they could have done a story that combines a TNG episode with a TOS episode so each crew helps the other solve the problem.
Maybe something that involved a sequel to a TOS episode in the 24th century. There were a bunch of things. Maybe something happens that requires Kirk, but Kirk disappeared in the 23rd century shortly after the events of ST6. Perhaps Kirk's disappearance actually occurs because he was needed in the 24th century.
Or expand the story that doesn't just have Kirk, but have Kirk with Sulu, Uhura and Chekov at the time. Perhaps they were searching for Scotty, and we meet up with Scotty, Spock and McCoy in the 24th century, where whatever the plot device is, has both ships uniting. In fact, they could have done a story that combines a TNG episode with a TOS episode so each crew helps the other solve the problem.
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