Why "Star Trek" is not right...

[Captain Mike]

After watching this movie for 3 times I have noticed several discrepancies in the first 30 minutes alone. When the Narada first exits the "black hole" or " lightning storm", It attacks the Kelvin with no provocation let alone it being a vessel that it is closest to. Why is that? With all the 24th century sensors (And with all the gushers need to include Borg tech from the comic) It didn't know it was dealing with a Federation starship from almost 200 years ago?
2. In the TOS era, Spock's and Sarek's separation from each other was because Spock chose entering Starfleet rather than entering the Vulcan Science Academy, which is what Sarek wanted him to do. Why on gods green earth would Sarek tell him to follow his emotions?
3. I understand some of the "time" indomitableness and faves of the so-called director, but why the "Beastie Boys" and that annoying NOKIA ringtone. I for one WOULD NOT be listening to them 100 years for now...if I was still kicking..

 

[Devon]

After watching this movie for 3 times I have noticed several discrepancies in the first 30 minutes alone. When the Narada first exits the "black hole" or " lightning storm", It attacks the Kelvin with no provocation let alone it being a vessel that it is closest to. Why is that?

It's all there in the film. Nero is now seeking vengeance against the Federation. From the get go, Robau says "What gives you the right to attack a federation vessel." It becomes very apparent later on why Nero gave the reaction that spelled "How dare you ask such a question" as he did to Robau's question.

With all the 24th century sensors (And with all the gushers need to include Borg tech from the comic) It didn't know it was dealing with a Federation starship from almost 200 years ago?

They saw something that looked like a federation ship and started attacking.

2. In the TOS era, Spock's and Sarek's separation from each other was because Spock chose entering Starfleet rather than entering the Vulcan Science Academy, which is what Sarek wanted him to do.

As he did here.

Why on gods green earth would Sarek tell him to follow his emotions?

He didn't. In fact Sarek even spoke of what a tremendous advantage Vulcans had in controlling their emotions through logic here.

 

[Captain Mike]

After watching this movie for 3 times I have noticed several discrepancies in the first 30 minutes alone. When the Narada first exits the "black hole" or " lightning storm", It attacks the Kelvin with no provocation let alone it being a vessel that it is closest to. Why is that?

It's all there in the film. Nero is now seeking vengeance against the Federation. From the get go, Robau says "What gives you the right to attack a federation vessel." It becomes very apparent later on why Nero gave the reaction that spelled "How dare you ask such a question" as he did to Robau's question

With all the 24th century sensors (And with all the gushers need to include Borg tech from the comic) It didn't know it was dealing with a Federation starship from almost 200 years ago?

They saw something that looked like a federation ship and started attacking.

2. In the TOS era, Spock's and Sarek's separation from each other was because Spock chose entering Starfleet rather than entering the Vulcan Science Academy, which is what Sarek wanted him to do.

As he did here.

Why on gods green earth would Sarek tell him to follow his emotions?

He didn't. In fact Sarek even spoke of what a tremendous advantage Vulcans had in controlling their emotions through logic here.

Yes he he is seeking to avenge his "so-called" wife's death. But that does NOT explain how destroying a Fed starship that is many years his "Exemplary Mining vessel" Does not have the 24th century equivalent of sensors?

 

[Devon]

Yes he he is seeking to avenge his "so-called" wife's death.

What do you mean "so-called." Who else is it supposed to be?

But that does NOT explain how destroying a Fed starship that is many years his "Exemplary Mining vessel" Does not have the 24th century equivalent of sensors?

Sorry? I think the second half of that statement is asking why the Narada doesn't have 24th Century sensors. I don't recall there being anything saying that they didn't.

 

[Captain Mike]

Yes he he is seeking to avenge his "so-called" wife's death.

What do you mean "so-called." Who else is it supposed to be?

But that does NOT explain how destroying a Fed starship that is many years his "Exemplary Mining vessel" Does not have the 24th century equivalent of sensors?

Sorry? I think the second half of that statement is asking why the Narada doesn't have 24th Century sensors. I don't recall there being anything saying that they didn't.

AND that is my point..Is this mining vessel from the 24th century could not distinguish that a vessel they faced is a Federation ship?...And then from their weapons or shields could not tell?

 

[Devon]

Yes he he is seeking to avenge his "so-called" wife's death.

What do you mean "so-called." Who else is it supposed to be?

But that does NOT explain how destroying a Fed starship that is many years his "Exemplary Mining vessel" Does not have the 24th century equivalent of sensors?

Sorry? I think the second half of that statement is asking why the Narada doesn't have 24th Century sensors. I don't recall there being anything saying that they didn't.

AND that is my point..Is this mining vessel from the 24th century could not distinguish that a vessel they faced is a Federation ship?...And then from their weapons or shields could not tell?

Just to clarify, are you asking if the Narada couldn't tell that the ship they were attacking was Federation? I'm pretty sure they knew.

 

[F. King Daniel]

After Romulus was destroyed, Nero's hunting Spock whom he blames (along with the Federation) for the death of his world, wife and unborn child. He thinks it's all a Federation plot.

While chasing Spock, both Narada and the Jellyfish fall into a black hole. Narada reappears somewhere else with a Federation starship sniffing around. The disable the ship, bring Robau aboard for questioning and learn they're 100 years in the past. As we've seen in TNG and DS9, 100+ year old Federation ships (such as the Miranda, Constellation and Excelsior classes) are still very much in use.

Sarek telling Spock to follow his emotions was him finally accepting his son as the person he really is, not the full-blooded Vulcan he's always wanted Spock to be.

Beastie Boys? Retro is cool again. Again.

 

[Jeyl]

Sarek telling Spock to follow his emotions was him finally accepting his son as the person he really is, not the full-blooded Vulcan he's always wanted Spock to be.

Which was a sad development since it turned Spock into a "Let's go kill some Romulans!" kind of guy who is so driven on revenge that he would rather let the defeated and helpless Romulans die rather than rescue them. I have a feeling that if the events of "The Arena" were to ever play out again, Spock will be as gung-ho about killing the fleeing Gorns as Kirk was.

 

[Jimmy_C]

Sarek telling Spock to follow his emotions was him finally accepting his son as the person he really is, not the full-blooded Vulcan he's always wanted Spock to be.

Which was a sad development since it turned Spock into a "Let's go kill some Romulans!" kind of guy who is so driven on revenge that he would rather let the defeated and helpless Romulans die rather than rescue them. I have a feeling that if the events of "The Arena" were to ever play out again, Spock will be as gung-ho about killing the fleeing Gorns as Kirk was.

They destroyed Vulcan. The entire planet. I think you underestimate the impact that would have on even a full-blooded Vulcan.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Beastie Boys? Retro is cool again. Again.

Good one.

 

[M'Sharak]

That thread title, wow. I feel like I've fallen through a red matter-induced wormhole and emerged 18 months in the past.

Beastie Boys? Retro is cool again. Again.

Ahhhh, retro - maybe that's it.

 

[Shatnertage]

I like the "so-called director" bit. Like he's not a real director, like he would get a director's credit on a major Hollywood movie without directing. Sure, you might not like some of his creative choices, but he's still the director.

And what King Daniel said about why they attacked the Kelvin. I never got the sense that Nero was confused about what was going on. He seemed pretty methodical about it.

That opening sequence is one of my favorite bits in all Trek. I can understand how some fans can have trouble with elements of the movie, but I'm surprised that this is one of them.

 

[Dukhat]

Heh. Maybe tonight I'll stop by my local public library and rent some DVDs of Enterprise and watch them 3 times so I can start randomly bitching about a show that hasn't been on the air in five years.

 

[UFO]

With respect to the OP's first point, I suspect Nero knew it was a Federation ship (which apparently "troubled" him) and it seemed his intention to soften it up to make the crew more amiable to his demands.

I think the short answer to point two is that he wouldn't have, unless as Jimmy C implied (), Sarek became unhinged by the destruction of Vulcan. I'm not impressed by the trend of turning Spock into a "human with pointy ears" in the name of character development. We are only guessing at Spock's degree of humanness. He was under control until Kirk sabotaged him for his own benefit (actually for the plot). Does anyone seriously believe a humanised version of Spock in TOS would have become as iconic as he has? Seems crazy to me. How will they handle that in the next film?

Re point three, I don't tend to notice or care about things like that, so Nokia wasted their money. I liked the Yellow Pages advertisement in IV though, hard to miss!

 

[number6]

Heh. Maybe tonight I'll stop by my local public library and rent some DVDs of Enterprise and watch them 3 times so I can start randomly bitching about a show that hasn't been on the air in five years.

Or you can visit the TOS forum and whine about a show that was cancelled over 40 years ago!!

 

[Gojira]

The Kelvin has features that are pretty standard to Federation designs and I am sure a space traveling Romulan would have no problem identifying an old Federation ship. Plus, as was mentioned, he disabled the Kelvin first, then had Captain Rabou on the Narada to investigate what ship he had just disabled. None of this is implausible nor controversial.

 

[M'Sharak]

Heh. Maybe tonight I'll stop by my local public library and rent some DVDs of Enterprise and watch them 3 times so I can start randomly bitching about a show that hasn't been on the air in five years.

Or you can visit the TOS forum and whine about a show that was cancelled over 40 years ago!!

Okay, let's not be dragging that in here again. I still haven't got the stench out of the carpets from the last time it happened.

 

[Leathco]

Nero didn't give a damn what era the ship came from. It was a Fed ship, he would attack and destroy it, since he blamed the Feds for the death of his wife and unborn child.

As far as ringtones and whatnot, the ONLY in-universe thing I can come up with is that Retro is popular with certain people. I myself collect old games and game systems (NES, SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, 32x, Turbografx-16, 3D0, PS1, and N64 in my collection!)

 

[-Brett-]

2. In the TOS era...

Stop right there. Reboot. No longer relevant.

...so-called director.... "so-called" wife...

You keep using this phrase. I don't think it means what you think it means.

 

[Devon]

Sarek telling Spock to follow his emotions was him finally accepting his son as the person he really is, not the full-blooded Vulcan he's always wanted Spock to be.

Unless I'm missing something from the film, I really do not recall Sarek telling Spock to follow his emotions. He certainly didn't in the first scene with young spock and Sarek when he actually was speaking of the benefits of having the ability to control emotions.