What happened to the Reliant crew after TWOK?

[publiusr]

One explanation could be that they were picked up…but with many dying thereafter…to the point that you could say (roughly) the complement of Reliant perished as an effective crew.

Some of Khan’s fellow Augments left behind were also rescued—and moved to the Paragon Colony on Sycorax.

Bashir may wind up meeting some. I imagine some Augments wound up here;
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Adigeon_Prime

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Some of Khan’s fellow Augments left behind

Why would there be any? I always assumed they all were taken aboard the Reliant when Khan hijacked it. Why would Khan leave any of his own men behind?

 

[publiusr]

There was a schism (novel-verse).

 

[CaptChris42]

The new Reliant appears in two Ships of the Line calendars alongside the Enterprise-A.
It appears, sans registry, in Birth of the Federation, set in the early 2360s.
Next, the ship is depicted in Sisko’s Wolf 359 holo in “Program 359”.
Finally, it is one of at least two ships named USS Reliant active in 2411 in STO.

The Reliant is mentioned, e.g. as an early assignment for Picard, but not seen/classed.

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I don't tend to always consider Ships of the Line canon, but it has become fairly influential (including on the design of the Ross-class and the Shangri-La) of late.

We don't know what class the Reliant is, in the comic showing 'Program 359' in contrast. It might be a fairly new ship, there.

Reliant is shown as Picard's first assignment in The Autobiography of Captain Picard - where it is described as a 'small ship, with about 26 crew' - which could fit a Miranda-class, but might also be an even smaller ship.

As for Birth of the Federation - well, it's never been much more than broad strokes, really.

But I do recall at least a line in TWOK or the novelization about the Enterprise planning to check on Reliant's crew. I think the novel War Dragons also went further into certain details, too, implying some casualties - or at least, a struggle for survival.

 

[Tallguy]

We don't know what class the Reliant is

It's been pretty well established as "Miranda class". I don't know what dedication plaques or schematics have said this on screen. But good luck getting anyone to budge on that one.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't tend to always consider Ships of the Line canon, but it has become fairly influential (including on the design of the Ross-class and the Shangri-La) of late.

The Ross class actually originates from STO. The Shangri-La was only added to the show because Matalas saw an image of it and really liked the design.

 

[CaptChris42]

The Ross class actually originates from STO. The Shangri-La was only added to the show because Matalas saw an image of it and really liked the design.

Technically true, but look up the USS Onimaru on Memory Beta, and we find it may be just a smidge older in concept.
Plus see also the Clear Skies RPG site, for the USS Ross.

As for the Reliant, I meant we don't know what class it was, in the DS9 comic.

 

[evilchumlee]

I always assumed Khan just killed the crew.

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus see also the Clear Skies RPG site, for the USS Ross.

The Ross design was created for Clear Skies and STO at the same time.

USS Onimaru is not a Ross class, it looks nothing like it.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Kyle is in the “Debt of Honor” graphic novel, set after ST IV.

 

[Tallguy]

Kyle is in the “Debt of Honor” graphic novel, set after ST IV.

Such a great book.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Back to school, to learn how to count planets. Kidding!

 

[Takeru]

Reliant is shown as Picard's first assignment in The Autobiography of Captain Picard - where it is described as a 'small ship, with about 26 crew' - which could fit a Miranda-class, but might also be an even smaller ship.

That wouldn't fit a Miranda class at all, that ship is significantly bigger than a constitution class, there's no way they had less than 30 crew members.

 

[Tuskin38]

that ship is significantly bigger than a constitution class

It is?

 

[Takeru]

It is?

Yes it is, the secondary hull of the connie is not very big, it's a relatively small tube, the additional decks added to the saucer for the Miranda add significantly more internal volume. Someone on YouTube did the math, the Reliant is 19% larger than the Enterprise.

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[The Wormhole]

That wouldn't fit a Miranda class at all, that ship is significantly bigger than a constitution class, there's no way they had less than 30 crew members.

The Miranda class USS Lantree in TNG Unnatural Selection is stated in that episode to have a crew of twenty-six. The USS Brattain in TNG Night Terrors had a crew of thirty-five.

 

[Therin of Andor]

That wouldn't fit a Miranda class at all, that ship is significantly bigger than a constitution class, there's no way they had less than 30 crew members.

Science vessels give over space to science labs and cargo bays instead of crew quarters.

 

[Takeru]

Science vessels give over space to science labs and cargo bays instead of crew quarters.

And who works in those labs? With a crew below 30 that's 8 or 9 people on duty per shift. You need at minimum 2 people on the bridge and 2 in engineering. I assume a pure science vessel could get away with not having a security team and no dedicated medical staff but that still means only 4 or 5 scientists would be on duty at a time. Unless it's a very specific short term mission that's not nearly enough.

I know the show has at times had big ships crewed by only a handful of people but I always thought that was just the writers being bad with numbers and I tend to ignore that. It simply doesn't make sense, if you have a job that can be done by 30 people send an Oberth or a Raven type small ship, not a Miranda.

 

[David cgc]

It depends on what’s taking up the rest of the space. If you can gut a Miranda and fit a lot more bulky cargo or large, power-hungry scientific equipment into it, it could be a better choice than a smaller ship.

Real-world research and cargo ships can have crews of 30-40, and the latter are the same size as cruise liners or warships that carry five to ten thousand people. It’s all about what you want to use the space for.

 

[CaptChris42]

And who works in those labs? With a crew below 30 that's 8 or 9 people on duty per shift. You need at minimum 2 people on the bridge and 2 in engineering. I assume a pure science vessel could get away with not having a security team and no dedicated medical staff but that still means only 4 or 5 scientists would be on duty at a time. Unless it's a very specific short term mission that's not nearly enough.

I know the show has at times had big ships crewed by only a handful of people but I always thought that was just the writers being bad with numbers and I tend to ignore that. It simply doesn't make sense, if you have a job that can be done by 30 people send an Oberth or a Raven type small ship, not a Miranda.

Well, there was precedent for it, but I cannot see a serious mapping, scout or science vessel, or even a general purpose design, really operating with much less than 100 crew, usually. And would include new Reliant generally in this. An Oberth - quite possibly, though. 80 crew is actually a bit cramming it, for that design (especially if all topside)

Would fit with the fan designed Blackbird class, from Ex Astris Scientia's Fleetyards, closer (which did have a USS Reliant listed) better maybe.

In contrast, for the hypothetical Andes-class repair tender, I head-canon-ed about 190 crew, to handle various issues (length 210.54 m) for example.