What are your realistic expectations for Strange New Worlds

[fireproof78]

"The Ensigns of Command?"

Yeah, sorry, that was not top tier for me. I tried as I attempted my TNG rewatch. That was middling entertainment, at best. It was overwrought with the supposed problem of the week when the solution should have been painfully obvious from the start.

The only emotional satisfaction I got was at the end and that was with Picard realizing the obvious.

 

[Vger23]

I would disagree about interstellar. there are TNG episodes that are just like interstellar or even better in terms of writing and emotional quality, same goes for a space odyssey 2001.

The Inner Light
All good things
Cause and Effect
yesterday enterprise
the ensign of command

No...not even close. Like....not even in the same quadrant. And that's not me being argumentative or difficult....but I just totally disagree.

 

[Lord Garth]

Speaking of "Haven't I seen this before?"

 

[valden]

No...not even close. Like....not even in the same quadrant. And that's not me being argumentative or difficult....but I just totally disagree.

yes you can agree to disagree, however objective writing content would not based on good science fiction analyses.

I don't even think interstellar is as good as all good things and while space odyssey was excellent, I would put yesterday enterprise on its level.

Interstellar is one of the more weaker Christopher Nolan films. though it shines well in the technical areas like VFX and Cinemathogprhay, which by the way I would put on the same level as cause and effect by 90s tv standard, not to mention cause and effect had a more intriguing and fresher story.

if you are going to call 2002 and interstellar a masterpiece, than in consistency TNG and even DS9 would be just that too.

Sorry but one thing I never do is try to dumb down the entire star trek universe just to make nu trek look a bit better. nu trek poor quality is all Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman.

 

[fireproof78]

yes you can agree to disagree, however objective writing content would not based on good science fiction analyses.

What's the objective standard that TNG meets then?

Because I just don't see it. It's Above Average for the most part, with occasional bolts of brilliance. Star Trek is entertainment first not a deep philosophical vessel.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't even think interstellar is as good as all good things and while space odyssey was excellent, I would put yesterday enterprise on its level.

"All Good Things" isn't in the same league as Interstellar. I like both but I'm not going to pretend one is on par with the other. Interstellar hit me in a way that nothing on Star Trek ever has or ever will. That's not a knock on Trek, just speaking to the power of Interstellar.

New Trek has nothing to do with it. If you asked me this in 2014, which was when Interstellar was released and before Star Trek came back to TV, I would've told you the same thing.

 

[FederationHistorian]

What do I realistically expect?

• SNW has the same potential to be a consistently good watch like LD
• SNW has the same potential to create controversy like DIS
• SNW has the same potential to be dark like PIC
  
• SNW will have the same type of humour as written on DIS and PIC
• SNW will have its share of easter eggs that are commonplace in Kurtzman Trek that go nowhere
• SNW will have its share of episodes that are hits and misses, like all episodic Trek
• SNW will have LGBTQ+ representation as commonplace in Kurtzman Trek
• Like DIS and PIC, SNW will be more pop philosophy than actually thought provoking
• Like all of the Kurtzman shows, SNW will mainly focus on 3-4 people, and won’t be the ensemble like TNG & DS9

I think that covers it.

 

[valden]

"All Good Things" isn't in the same league as Interstellar. I like both but I'm not going to pretend one is on par with the other. Interstellar hit me in a way that nothing on Star Trek ever has or ever will. That's not a knock on Trek, just speaking to the power of Interstellar.

New Trek has nothing to do with it. If you asked me this in 2014, when Interstellar was released and before Star Trek came back to TV, I would've told you the same thing.

well that is your choice, however there is no objective film or tv anlaysis that will try and explain why interstellar is great and all good things isnt based on any academia screen writing value.

all good things is usually ranked as one of the best finales of all time on TV. interstellar as I said, is not even among the best nolan films and I am a Nolan fan.

No offence but someone trying to argue star trek tng is bad and interstellar is good, is like a person trying to make an argument that aerosmith is good hard rock band and led zeplin is bad hard rock band based on actual musical credibility. lol

 

[Lord Garth]

well that is your choice, however there is no objective film or tv anlaysis that will try and explain why interstellar is great and all good things isnt based on any academia screen writing value.

all good things is usually ranked as one of the best finales of all time on TV. interstellar as I said, is not even among the best nolan films and I am a Nolan fan.

No offence but someone trying to argue star trek tng is bad and interstellar is good, is like a person trying to make an argument that aerosmith is good hard rock band and led zeplin is bad hard rock band. lol

1. My opinion is my own.
2. All opinion is subjective, not objective.
3. Academia is based on fact, not opinion. Try writing a college paper based on just opinion, and see how far that gets you.
4. Going to film school to learn about screenwriting is a fantastic way to waste thousands of dollars.
5. The best Series Finale is "Felina" from Breaking Bad, if we're going to pretend opinion is fact.

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On that note: Yay! My first Internet Argument in the Strange New Worlds Forum!

 

[fireproof78]

On that note: Yay! My first Internet Argument in the Strange New Worlds Forum!

Welcome aboard.

All I can say is good luck. We're all counting on you.

 

[Lord Garth]

No offence but someone trying to argue star trek tng is bad and interstellar is good, is like a person trying to make an argument that aerosmith is good hard rock band and led zeplin is bad hard rock band based on actual musical credibility. lol

I did not say TNG is bad. You twisted what I said. I said I like both, but Insterstellar is in a different league. You are aware that there are different levels of "good", right?

 

[Vger23]

well that is your choice, however there is no objective film or tv anlaysis that will try and explain why interstellar is great and all good things isnt based on any academia screen writing value.

all good things is usually ranked as one of the best finales of all time on TV. interstellar as I said, is not even among the best nolan films and I am a Nolan fan.

No offence but someone trying to argue star trek tng is bad and interstellar is good, is like a person trying to make an argument that aerosmith is good hard rock band and led zeplin is bad hard rock band based on actual musical credibility. lol

The entire point of the message board is to discuss and argue our opinions. It's not about "objective" vs. "subjective..." It's all subjective. So, it is instead about making your case in a clear and convincing fashion, which hasn't presented itself here, other than some argumentative defensiveness.

You've made an immensely controversial claim that a few really good Star Trek episodes and a couple of mediocre episodes are better than some of the most praised and respected science fiction films of the last 50 years.

I think you need to expect some push-back.

 

[Relayer1]

I didn't like Interstellar - I thought it was way overrated (I'd apply the same to most of the other Nolan movies). The only thing in Trek I could consider on the same scale, however, is TMP which I prefer by a considerable margin but there's no objective measure by which to compare the two.

I've seen seven Nolan movies and all the Trek series (bar Lower Decks). Given a choice between a new Nolan movie or SNW, I'll take SNW.

But that's just me.

 

[Lord Garth]

Welcome aboard.

All I can say is good luck. We're all counting on you.

Please, no.

For a whole ton of reasons. But, cutting to the most relevant one: I don't feel too strongly about Strange New Worlds either way. I'm more than happy to let someone else take the charge this time around.

 

[valden]

1. My opinion is my own.
2. All opinion is subjective, not objective.
3. Academia is based on fact, not opinion.
4. Going to film school to learn about screenwriting is a fantastic way to waste thousands of dollars.
5. The best Series Finale is "Felina" from Breaking Bad, if we're going to pretend opinion is fact.

1, yes, your opinon is your opinon. some people have opinions that taylor swift is a better singer than mariah carey does not make it fact or any ounce of research truth.

2, No, not all opinions are subjective, if this was so there would not be any such thing as artistic merit. Can you show me a big fan opinion place were trekkie shas said discovery is the best trek show ever?

3, Yes, Academia is not all that necessary, but they do exist for a big reason. they many times provide good logical measurement for art. It will be laughable for me to say that when i was in school and i submitted two film essays, i cold not tell the difference why my teacher graded one an A grade and the other a C grade. sure my teacher had an opinion, but an opinion based on some merited facts why I got those grades.

4, Film school is not necessary either but it helps writers and directors perfect their craft

5. I said TNG finale is one of the greatest finales of all time as always ranked in many TV list of best finales, judge by critics, sci-fi writers and a huge fan favourite for trekkies, especially the trekkeies who loved it when star trek is not all about flashy cgi and action scenes every 5 minutes. Geez, I do remember this is why season 2 of discovery finale I found quite mediocre.

 

[Vger23]

4. Going to film school to learn about screenwriting is a fantastic way to waste thousands of dollars.

 

[Stuart Wilson]

I fully expect that the internet will be full of people telling us how awful Strange New Worlds is. How it's already been cancelled and how it's full of woke snowflakes who are useless. Even if it's the best TV show in history (which it probably won't be) because that gets people to read their page/blog/post/whatever.
Will it be as good as the best Trek that went before? Not all episodes certainly. However I doubt it'll have anything as bad as "Spocks Brain" or the entire first season of TNG. But there's so much Sci-fi and other great TV out there now (including old shows we can watch whenever we like) that it's difficult to stand out from the crowd. With ten episodes a season there will be less filler than the old series, but less opportunity to do something different and quiet, like "The Inner Light".
Hopefully it will capture some of the old magic, but in a contemporary way, I would like to return to a more episodic format that doesn't dial every threat up to eleven and mean the entire galaxy needs saving all the time.
I do worry that there are too many characters we know the fates of, meaning any threat to them is meaningless. We already had Spock, Pike and the Enterprise who we know what happens to. Now we have Uhura, Chapel and M'Benga. It limits the potential for drama.

Stuart

 

[valden]

I didn't like Interstellar - I thought it was way overrated. The only thing in Trek I could consider on the same scale is TMP. I prefer TMP by a considerable margin but there's no objective measure by which to compare the two.

I've seen seven Nolan movies and all the Trek series (bar Lower Decks). Given a choice between a new Nolan movie or SNW, I'll take SNW.

But that's just me.

Interstellar was okay, good but not great. I liked the film direction but I would not say it was a masterpiece. TNG Cause and Effect is a masterpiece of a tv episode. simply amazing. well written, well directed.

That episode singular changed how to do a time loop stories in sci-fi and I would even argue it is better than groundhogs day the movie because with TNG there was science fiction in it.

I liked Interstellar Time Dilation story arc, but TNG Cause and effect episode of time loop, took time travel story to another level, I had not seen before. very smart and well crafted.

 

[fireproof78]

Please, no.

For a whole ton of reasons. But, cutting to the most relevant one: I don't feel too strongly about Strange New Worlds either way. I'm more than happy to let someone else take the charge this time around.

Well, don't look at me. I'm way to irrational this time around

TNG Cause and Effect is a masterpiece of a tv episode. simply amazing. well written, well directed.

Which is fine. That doesn't make TNG top shelf, much less Star Trek as a franchise as top tier entertainment. Expecting "Cause and Effect" from every show is unrealistic, at best. TNG is gone and will not be remade. That's for the better, I think.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I forgot to add: another expectation of mine is that SNW be rewatchable, like I can do with TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, some of VOY and ENT.

So far, I've not had that feeling with DSC or PIC overall. I will go back to some episodes of LD and some PR, but it would be nice to have the bulk of a series for me to be rewatchable episodes.