What are your realistic expectations for Strange New Worlds

[valden]

But how much depth is really there in Star Trek? Sometimes it hits very deeply but a lot of times it isn't deep but just very human relationships being expressed rather than some deep philosophy.

I consider star trek on its best days to be the most intellectual in depth and best written sci fiction series I have ever watched.

TNG as an entire series blew me away. It is in my top 10 best TV shows of all time.

Sometimes Trek can be deeper, more intellectual and then Spock has to install his own brain or whatever that episode was about. Two giant monkeys with horns glued to their heads claw up Bill Shatner while he writhes in pain. Everybody gets turned into kids. Everybody gets drunk and horny. They all go on the holodeck and play baseball. Archer hangs out with Bin Laden. The cheese is going to blow up Voyager. Data's dreams are telling him the ship is going to explode. Riker has a clip show.
Star Trek is just a show in space where weird stuff happens. Some of it's great and some of it's bad and that's true of the whole dang thing.

all what you said is true that star trek does have its far fetched episodes but they can still be well written in that context of far fetched. Alex Kurtzman and his writers, have just never seem to grasp good writing in any context and this is what I worry about the most with new trek, that will likely show its face in SNW.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I’m expecting to be entertained.

 

[mattman8907]

I'm expecting a good sci-fi adventure show with a minor amount of fan service that is character-based, engaging, and fun to watch.

Basically, I'm expecting DSC S2's "New Eden" or S1's "Magic to Make the Sanest Man..." every week.

It's just that simple.

New Eden was awesome. Reminded me of the good days of Star Trek (and stargate.) go to a planet, get into trouble, get out of trouble, go home.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

New Eden was awesome. Reminded me of the good days of Star Trek (and stargate.) go to a planet, get into trouble, get out of trouble, go home.

I think I read here on this forum and a couple other places that "New Eden" was geared to be a Proof of Concept to see how a Pike series could go. If SNW is like that, I think we're all in for a good series.

 

[Oddish]

Sometimes Trek can be deeper, more intellectual and then Spock has to install his own brain or whatever that episode was about. Two giant monkeys with horns glued to their heads claw up Bill Shatner while he writhes in pain. Everybody gets turned into kids. Everybody gets drunk and horny. They all go on the holodeck and play baseball. Archer hangs out with Bin Laden. The cheese is going to blow up Voyager. Data's dreams are telling him the ship is going to explode. Riker has a clip show.

Don't forget salamander sex, rogue bats, and Ferengi gender swaps.

 

[Noname Given]

I consider star trek on its best days to be the most intellectual in depth and best written sci fiction series I have ever watched.

Then you need to watch (and read) more examples of science fiction. Trek can be occassionally intellectual and have some depth; but even in its best examples, that's the exception, and not the norm. It's often popcorn space opera (and that's fine too)

TNG as an entire series blew me away. It is in my top 10 best TV shows of all time.

Sorry, it's hard to take anything more that you write seriously. The first Season of TNG was absolute garbage with maybe 3 really decent episodes out of 26. You're really going to sit there and say TNG S1 "Code Of Honor" or "The Naked Now" were "intellectual" and "in depth" episodes?

TNG did finally start producing some decent episodes in its 3rd and 4th seasons; but 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7 had more bad episodes on average (Season 1 especially).

 

[fireproof78]

I consider star trek on its best days to be the most intellectual in depth and best written sci fiction series I have ever watched.

Then, with respect, you and I view Trek extremely differently. It has deeper episodes, but they are far more rare, and it is a show designed to entertain first, and to philosophize about second. I do not expect depth from Star Trek.

Then you need to watch (and read) more examples of science fiction. Trek can be occassionally intellectual and have some depth; but even in its best examples, that's the exception, and not the norm. It's often popcorn space opera (and that's fine too)

Exactly.

 

[Nyotarules]

Someone will bitch about it on YouTube for the sake of clickbait.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

I’m expecting to be entertained.

Ugh. You're such a radical.

 

[Vger23]

Star Trek was, relatively speaking, "deep" for it's day in the late 1960's. TOS was essentially an anthology series written by a combination of some staff writers, but also some legit science fiction writers. It was basically "Twilight Zone" aboard a spaceship with a regular cast.

It has not been like that for some time, though, as it has now become a franchise, and with that it carries all of the baggage and interference from the suits that comes with wanting to ensure the cash cow pleases absolutely everyone.

Each of the series has had 3-4 truly masterful episodes that I would say are outstanding works of drama and science fiction. But, for the most part, it's a fun (hopefully) and thoughtful sci-fi adventure franchise. It's not 2001 and Interstellar. Nor should it be. TOS was always a space western, by Roddenberry's own admission...and they slipped in social commentary past the censors of the day. Those days where that is necessary are LONG gone. So, Star Trek isn't really "special" any longer because...well....it doesn't need to be.

I'd love it if SNW took a stab at some truly science-fiction oriented stories. I think with the episodic format and the characters/actors they have involved, it really could be the best of the new shows. But...I am not holding my breath for that.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Someone will bitch about it on YouTube for the sake of clickbait.

They will make Googly eyes on the characters as well. Plus complaining that there are gays/women/people of colour/trans etc and that it's all designed to make white men cry.

I think it's going to be good but expectations for this one seem to be set so high. Lots of people are going to be mad. Luckily I learned how to make popcorn myself a few weeks ago and I have a large supply of kernels. Really.

 

[Oddish]

TNG did finally start producing some decent episodes in its 3rd and 4th seasons; but 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7 had more bad episodes on average (Season 1 especially).

1, definitely.
2 and 7, maybe.
5 and 6 were actually pretty good seasons.

 

[mattman8907]

1, definitely.
2 and 7, maybe.
5 and 6 were actually pretty good seasons.

one of my favorite episodes from TNG is "The Chase" where they basically are trying to solve a mystery and have to deal with the romulans, the klingons and the cardassians as well.

 

[F. King Daniel]

What's the line from Futurama? "70 episodes, about 30 good ones"

They've certainly captured the look of the 2009 movie, if they can match the energy and fun it'll be the best Trek ever. But going in with high hopes is just begging for a letdown. If I expect a more episodic version of Discovery's 3rd and 4th seasons I probably won't be disappointed. Probably.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

‪‪From what we know about the series and what I’ve seen, ‪‪I think I’ll most likely really enjoy this show, and ‪‪I have high hopes for it being a lot of fun, hopefully with some memorable stories and performances. I’m not expecting the greatest show ever, or even my favorite Star Trek ever, and I’m not going to hold that against the series, and ‪‪I’m open to being pleasantly surprised.

It was mentioned at the SNW panel at Mission Chicago by moderator Helen Hong, and confirmed by co-show runner Henry Alonso Myers, that show will include a non-binary character. So, based on their past behavior, I predict the usual suspects of YT hate-pundits and their army of social media troll followers will take issue with that.

‪‪‪I hope that I’m wrong, but ‪‪I’m expecting them to jump on that fact as some evidence of an LGBTQIA+ agenda/wokeism/virtue signaling/whatever litany of other phrases and buzzwords they’re currently using to dismiss anything they see as, I guess threateningly progressive and inclusive?

 

[Relayer1]

I'm expecting a good sci-fi adventure show with a minor amount of fan service that is character-based, engaging, and fun to watch.

That's about it for me. Some fun but with a serious underpinning and a very faint flavour of the 60's show.

I'm on record as being heartily sick of "Planet Of The Week" shows after TOS, TNG, Voyager and Enterprise but you know what ? I'm looking forward to this - there's apparently a little room in my life for it after all...

 

[valden]

Star Trek was, relatively speaking, "deep" for it's day in the late 1960's. TOS was essentially an anthology series written by a combination of some staff writers, but also some legit science fiction writers. It was basically "Twilight Zone" aboard a spaceship with a regular cast.

It has not been like that for some time, though, as it has now become a franchise, and with that it carries all of the baggage and interference from the suits that comes with wanting to ensure the cash cow pleases absolutely everyone.

Each of the series has had 3-4 truly masterful episodes that I would say are outstanding works of drama and science fiction. But, for the most part, it's a fun (hopefully) and thoughtful sci-fi adventure franchise. It's not 2001 and Interstellar. Nor should it be. TOS was always a space western, by Roddenberry's own admission...and they slipped in social commentary past the censors of the day. Those days where that is necessary are LONG gone. So, Star Trek isn't really "special" any longer because...well....it doesn't need to be.

I'd love it if SNW took a stab at some truly science-fiction oriented stories. I think with the episodic format and the characters/actors they have involved, it really could be the best of the new shows. But...I am not holding my breath for that.

I would disagree about interstellar. there are TNG episodes that are just like interstellar or even better in terms of writing and emotional quality, same goes for a space odyssey 2001.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I would disagree about interstellar. there are TNG episodes that are just like interstellar or even better in terms of writing and emotional quality, same goes for a space odyssey 2001.

And they are?

 

[Midquest]

I have to say, I'm not comfortable with the 5 description. Equating Great with Emmy edges close to doing to television what "great literature" did to prose storytelling, which is to create a canon of high art walled off from all other art regardless of the quality of said other art. Seems a quite exclusive standard that doesn't really fit what I want from the show to begin with, and nearly made me vote a 4 without cause.

So, I voted that I expect the show to be Great. And I voted that way because I hope to be able to say to other people, "Watch it. It's a great show!" That's my idea of a 5.

Give me a series of New Edens, more or less, and I'd call that more than good, more than satisfying.

 

[valden]

‪‪From what we know about the series and what I’ve seen, ‪‪I think I’ll most likely really enjoy this show, and ‪‪I have high hopes for it being a lot of fun, hopefully with some memorable stories and performances. I’m not expecting the greatest show ever, or even my favorite Star Trek ever, and I’m not going to hold that against the series, and ‪‪I’m open to being pleasantly surprised.

It was mentioned at the SNW panel at Mission Chicago by moderator Helen Hong, and confirmed by co-show runner Henry Alonso Myers, that show will include a non-binary character. So, based on their past behavior, I predict the usual suspects of YT hate-pundits and their army of social media troll followers will take issue with that.

‪‪‪I hope that I’m wrong, but ‪‪I’m expecting them to jump on that fact as some evidence of an LGBTQIA+ agenda/wokeism/virtue signaling/whatever litany of other phrases and buzzwords they’re currently using to dismiss anything they see as, I guess threateningly progressive and inclusive?

And they are?

The Inner Light
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