Unpopular Trek opinions game

[CorporalCaptain]

Well, I'll cop to not having seen The Black Hole in forty years so I'll defer to your judgment there.

Don't get me wrong, TBH seriously blows, but it has its charms, chiefly its unique visuals, the good cast, and the music. And, despite the disappointing execution, the premise is kind of epic.

Not so unpopular opinion: can we concede that Nemesis is better than Starcrash?

Is that the Stella Star film? Sadly, I've never seen it.

 

[Greg Cox]

Don't get me wrong, TBH seriously blows, but it has its charms, chiefly its unique visuals, the good cast, and the music. And, despite the disappointing execution, the premise is kind of epic.


Is that the Stella Star film? Sadly, I've never seen it.

Yep. To be honest, nearly have I, but its dubious reputation precedes it.

As for THE BLACK HOLE, I remember being underwhelmed back in 1979, and giggling through the old cowboy robot's "tragic" death scene, but perhaps I should revisit it some day.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I haven’t seen Starcrash, but I don’t know. A movie you can enjoy laughing at for its terribleness is better than Nemesis. A movie that gave a death unbefitting of such an iconic character. Doing retroactive harm to previous good stories is worse than just being terrible.

Unpopular opinion: Royale is the best comedy episode.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yep. To be honest, nearly have I, but its dubious reputation precedes it.

As for THE BLACK HOLE, I remember being underwhelmed back in 1979, and giggling through the old cowboy robot's "tragic" death scene, but perhaps I should revisit it some day.

... voiced by Slim Pickens.

 

[Kor]

Starcrash is worth watching just to see the one and only Christopher Plummer as Emperor of the Universe looking like "What am I doing in this travesty?"

Kor

 

[Crazyewok]

OK, well, here's my unpopular opinion, then. Disney's The Black Hole is better than Star Trek: Nemesis.

Agree as it it never had telepathic mind rape.

My unpopular opinion.
Star fleet is a military!
It had a military rank structure and fights wars!

 

[The Old Mixer]

Star fleet is a military!
It had a military rank structure and fights wars!

Agree! How they choose to brand themselves doesn't change what they are and what they do.

My opinion: And they do use some form of currency, too. Let's just get it all out there!

 

[USS Triumphant]

(EDIT: I confess this post keeps getting longer and longer as I remember ever more terrible movies. "Oh, god, I completely forgot about that incredibly tedious Frankenstein remake with Sting and Jennifer Beals . . . .")

Yet somehow, "Wag The Dog" and "Battlefield Earth" both escaped your wrath?

(If you haven't seen them: don't. Unless you feel like you deserve punishment for something, because they'd fit the bill. )

 

[Soong-type Android]

I like the third season of TOS

So do I. Episodes like 'The Enterprise Incident', 'The Tholian Web', 'The Empath', and 'Day of the Dove' among others more than make up for 'Turnabout Intruder', 'Spock's Brain' and 'Plato's Stepchildren'.

Unpopular opinion: Enterprise B, C and E are a better design than Enterprise D.

 

[Nyotarules]

So do I. Episodes like 'The Enterprise Incident', 'The Tholian Web', 'The Empath', and 'Day of the Dove' among others more than make up for 'Turnabout Intruder', 'Spock's Brain' and 'Plato's Stepchildren'.

Unpopular opinion: Enterprise B, C and E are a better design than Enterprise D.

Why did I pick this one to reply to since I don't give shit about designs But will say disagree since the Enterprise D bridge made no sense whatsoever. What's a barrier doing between ops/tactical and the captain, etc? Why on earth did none of those silly ships have seat belts?

Starfleet is a terrancentric organisation and so is institutionally racist. Ignore the real life reason for TOS but how many non human admirals, senior officers and crew did you ever see in those ships corridors?
They would fail a present day diversity test; TOS is NASA in space and TNG is NASA + the EU in space. The mirror universe TOS had a better mix and they were the bad guys!

 

[Vger23]

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier and Star Trek: Insurrection are better than any of the reboot movies.

Agree on Star Trek V, which is actually one of my favorite movies in the franchise. Totally disagree on Insurrection, which is the only franchise movie I actively dislike.

People often cite Trials and Tribbleations' use of TOS design and effects as proof that a modern Trek series/movie set in that era could effectively carry off pixel-perfect reproduction of the TOS look. When in fact, half of the gags in the episode revolve around how incongruous the look is, something that would be ludicrous to extend over an entire series or movie.

Agree....it's silliness...

Star Trek Generations and Insurrection have aged better than Star Trek First Contact. All the TNG films have their issues, but GEN and INS capture the spirit of TNG much better than Picard going full Ahab on a bunch of Borg. Now I'm a little older and wiser than when ST:FC came out, I actually think it's the inferior of the three (NEM is still the worst).

Disagree. None of the TNG movies were particularly good, but FC was the most tightly presented. I actually put FC and NEM ahead of the two you've listed. INS was garbage, and GEN was such a convoluted mess...its only redeeming qualities are the TOS cast, great cinematography, and an excellent soundtrack.

I like the third season of TOS.

Very much agree...I can never really figure out what the knock is to be honest. Strikes me more as "groupthink" than any kind of real, grounded opinion.

Unpopular opinion: DSC is, so far, better than DS9.

Agree...although it's relatively close.

Unpopular opinion: Enterprise B, C and E are a better design than Enterprise D.

Agree on the E...disagree on the others.

New Hot Take:

Data is a great character, but many of the Data-centric episodes are awful (Data's Day, In Theory, Descent 1 and 2, Elementary Dear Data, Most Toys, Hero Worship, Fistful of Datas, etc).

 

[Greg Cox]

Starcrash is worth watching just to see the one and only Christopher Plummer as Emperor of the Universe looking like "What am I doing in this travesty?"

Kor

As I understand it, he only worked for three days and mostly agreed to it because a free trip to Rome (where the movie was filmed) appealed to him.

As for BATTLEFIELD EARTH, I've never seen it . . . although I once came dangerously close to editing a prequel to it. The book was on the schedule, the contracts had been drawn up, an author was lined up . . . then the deal fell through at the last minute.

Dodged a bullet there!

 

[Kor]

As I understand it, he only worked for three days and mostly agreed to it because a free trip to Rome (where the movie was filmed) appealed to him.
...

He lent a bit of Shakespearean gravitas to this production.

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New Hot Take:

Data is a great character, but many of the Data-centric episodes are awful (Data's Day, In Theory, Descent 1 and 2, Elementary Dear Data, Most Toys, Hero Worship, Fistful of Datas, etc).

Mostly agreed, though I like "Fistful of Datas" for comedic value. And I'm a sucker for westerns.

New one:

"The Alternative Factor" is just fine.

Kor

 

[Soong-type Android]

Dodged a bullet there!

A huge L. Ron Hubbard sized bullet.

 

[Ovation]

He lent a bit of Shakespearean gravitas to this production.

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Kor

He seems barely able to restrain himself from bursting out in laughter near the end.

 

[Nyotarules]

He seems barely able to restrain himself from bursting out in laughter near the end.

Definitely not The Sound of Music

 

[Vger23]

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New one:

"The Alternative Factor" is just fine.

Kor

Agree to some extent. It's not the unmitigated disaster some make it out to be, for sure.

New One:

Nemesis is a better film than Generations or Insurrection.

 

[Lord Garth]

Apparently unpopular opinion: Hyperbole aside, NO Star Trek movie is the worst movie ever made, by a long shot.

Agreed. Not even within the genre. My least favorite sci-fi movie is Red Planet (2000), directed by Antony Hoffman and starring Val Kilmer. That's two hours of my life I'll never get back.

Now for the trump card (dun dun dun): Emperor Georgiou is my favorite character on Discovery.

 

[Vger23]

Agreed. Not even within the genre. My least favorite sci-fi movie is Red Planet (2000), directed by Antony Hoffman and starring Val Kilmer. That's two hours of my life I'll never get back.

Now for the trump card (dun dun dun): Emperor Georgiou is my favorite character on Discovery.

I like her too...perhaps not my favorite, but definitely like her.

Here's an even better one:

Wesley Crusher is not the worst "main character" Star Trek has given us.

 

[Tosk]

Nemesis is a better film than Generations or Insurrection.

Disagree. GEN and INS at least feel a bit like TNG did, they just fail at being good movies. NEM doesn't give me the TNG-ness I want, and fails at being a good movie.

The Inner Light is a boring episode.