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Uniforms in "Tapestry."

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I don't know about you guys, but I have always been disappointed in the Starfleet uniforms (shown in Tapestry) between the TOS movie generation, and TNG. The Enterprise C crew wore them too. There was so much potential to be creative, but they took a short cut and just changed the turtlenecks to crewneck. Weak.
 
It may be weak, but there's something about it that I like. Military uniforms don't change nearly as often as Trek's uniforms change.
 
I hated them too...it looked like what it was--people wearing jackets with no shirts underneath. Tacky.

But it was necessitated by budget considerations. That's TV for you.
 
You know, they may as well have just had the young Picard and his Academy friends just wear the exact same TWOK uniforms. Although using a different type of undershirt, while not very imaginative, was an attempt at making them appear a little different. At least they had shirts and belts, unlike how they depicted the uniforms in Yesterday's Enterprise. -- RR
 
It's too bad we get longterm uniform continuity there, because the one characteristic of Starfleet uniforms is that they don't have longterm continuity: that's a continuity violation, really...

But gradual changes within a certain format are an established way for Starfleet to go. The black pants plus pullover thing went through at least three variations from "The Cage" through "Where No Man" to TOS, while the colorful spandex pajamas thing evolved through multiple steps as well, from early TNG to late TNG to DS9 and VOY. We might just as well allow the black pants plus maroon tunic motif to have three or four generations of subtle variation, too.

...Although it would have been cool if the jackets were ditched altogether, so that "Tapestry" would essentially have featured a modern variant of the pants-and-pullover style.

What could be cool in the future is if STXI shows a jacket that can be worn with the TOS style, and suggests that starship crews go for a relaxed, jacketless dress code while more stuffy folks ashore wear the entire regalia. So in essence, the TOS and TFS styles are the same, both featuring pullover plus jacket...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Did anyone notice, in the DS9 ep "Rocks and Shoals", that when the crew went jacketless and had their combadges pined to their undershirts, that their uniforms looked REALLY close to a TOS updated look? I don't think Blackman ever intended this when he designed the grey and black uniforms, but I thought it was a cool coincidence.
 
a big difference in the uniforms would have been distracting. the ones that they chose were similar enough that you didn't focus on the uniform, but still knew that they were different.
 
After being reminded it of it in another thread I just wanted to add that it would have been really cool if they'd been able to use the design later created for Janeway's father in the Voyager episode "Coda" for any episodes that flashed back to periods before TNG. Not necessarily for this episode in particular since it takes place pretty soon after the movies and Patrick Stewart looks better in the movie versions but more for the time period when they made the movie ones beltless and undershirtless, like Yesterday's Enterprise.
 
Another minor change I think would be interesting is that instead of the insiginia used in the movie version, they could've used the pips from TNG onward on the TWOK onward movie outfits. -- RR
 
I hated them too...it looked like what it was--people wearing jackets with no shirts underneath. Tacky.

But it was necessitated by budget considerations. That's TV for you.

Yeah, because it costs so much to goto K-Mart and get 4 or 5 turtleneck shirts and mod them to make them more like the TOS movie uniforms.
 
I thought the missing belts in Yesterday's Enterprise were particularly stupid when the jackets still had bigass belt loops on the back of them. Why not just continue the TWOK uniforms properly? Maybe with a few cosmetic differences to show the passage of time, pips instaid of the shoulder braid maybe?
 
I hated them too...it looked like what it was--people wearing jackets with no shirts underneath. Tacky.

But it was necessitated by budget considerations. That's TV for you.

Yeah, because it costs so much to goto K-Mart and get 4 or 5 turtleneck shirts and mod them to make them more like the TOS movie uniforms.
I didn't mean they couldn't afford the turtlenecks, which they probably still had. I mean that instead of designing an all-new interim uniform for that period to be used in one episode, they went cheap and tried to alter the existing movie uniforms to suggest a transition between them and the TNG Season 1 uniforms. What we got was bloody awful looking.
 
"Tapestry" didn't repeat the shirtless look from "Yesterday's Enterprise"--which I agree was sub-par.

In "Tapestry" the uniforms actually did incorporate undershirts, of a style never before seen. They weren't nearly as obvious as the originals, but they worked, or at least constituted an improvement.
 
I agree with most of the posters here re: the sort of de-evolution of the TWOK uniforms in TNG. One thing that speaks to continuity, though, is that the turtleneck-less "Yesterday's Enterprise" look creates almost the exact same collar-line as the 1st and 2nd season TNG jumpsuits. Adam's Apples and collarbones abound!

I'm not saying this was intentional on the part of the designers, but it does suggest that there was perhaps a fashion trend toward "more neck-skin" in the mid-24th century Federation. ;)
 
^I think that's exactly what they were trying to evoke, but the result was an awful eyesore.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I have always been disappointed in the Starfleet uniforms (shown in Tapestry) between the TOS movie generation, and TNG. The Enterprise C crew wore them too. There was so much potential to be creative, but they took a short cut and just changed the turtlenecks to crewneck. Weak.

Man! Those burgundy uniforms are the best ones out of all of them. Just my own opinion, though!
 
^But did you like them as much when they were beltless and shirtless?

Absolutely not. I think they made a huge mistake omitting the belts and turtlenecks. Why did it have to be different? Like removing the belt and making them wear t-shirts gives you the impression that time has passed. No one wears turtlenecks and belts in the 24th century, apparently!
 
^But did you like them as much when they were beltless and shirtless?

Absolutely not. I think they made a huge mistake omitting the belts and turtlenecks. Why did it have to be different? Like removing the belt and making them wear t-shirts gives you the impression that time has passed. No one wears turtlenecks and belts in the 24th century, apparently!
Enterprise-C was only from 20 years prior. They could have used the Season 1 uniforms as similar but antiquated. I think it would have looked better. I didn't like it any better when Wesley Crusher watched his dad's holo-diary.
 
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