Trek XI is a Time travel movie???

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Woulfe said:
Flashbacks are a very old dramatic plot device.
They don't get used that often in most modern drama, well with the exception of LOST that is
- W -

The clichéd "flashback" is a very tired old plot device. But Abrams' style is to use a "backstory", which in my opinion differs from a traditional flashback. In a flashback, someone is reminiscing about a past event. In a 'Lost'-style backstory, nobody is reminiscing or thinking back -- the backstory events are provided to only us, the audience, and is included by the writers to give us some insight into what is happening in the "here and now".

For example, this film could start Post-Nemesis and feature old Spock on some mission of great importance. Then (in 'Lost' fashion) we -- the audience -- are temporarily allowed to glimpse something that happened to younger Spock and younger Kirk that bears greatly on the mission of old Spock. There is no "thinking back" by old Spock...we are not watching Old Spock thinking about the past. The backstory is shown strictly for the benefit of the audience. Like on 'Lost', I can see the story shifting back and forth several times in an effort to tell the story in a dramatic fashion.

That's My 2¢ anyway, for what its worth.

 

[Tom]

while we put down time travel, one only needs to remember that Star Trek IV was a box office hit and First Contact did pretty well also, both having time travel plots.

 

[number6]

FleetLord said:
while we put down time travel, one only needs to remember that Star Trek IV was a box office hit and First Contact did pretty well also, both having time travel plots.

As was the Back to the Future film series.

 

[Ezri]

I hate time travel

 

[MarianLH]

Number6 said:

FleetLord said:
while we put down time travel, one only needs to remember that Star Trek IV was a box office hit and First Contact did pretty well also, both having time travel plots.

As was the Back to the Future film series.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that most of the hate for time travel plots in Trek is not due to people disliking time travel itself, but due to time travel plots being seriously overused in Trek. And it didn't really appear until VOY or maybe even ENT.

In other words, it's not "time travel is bad", it's "not this shit again".

As I write this, Tom Smith's "Let's Do The Time Plot Again" is playing in my head.


Marian

 

[Tom]

^^ but what is original in Trek or scifi in general, that is the bigger question!

 

[knine]

PhotoM said:
I can see it now a old Spock sitting infront of a fire cave with his Vulcan robes and sandles with a book in his hand telling the story of Kirk

... singing row row row your boat.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Ezri said:
I hate time travel

All films (and real life, for that matter) involve time travel -- at least at 1 second per second into the future.

 

[xortex]

What worries me is this movie is not going to have a serious sci-fi concept but be more soap opera-ish. I don't think these guys are heavy lifters. You can't build a skyscraper with a wrench.

 

[Aragorn]

See? My post about the use of "soap opera" here has already proven itself.

 

[xortex]

As long as they don't mess with established facts, continuity, and historical context - wait they are messing with those things, aren't they ? or at least ignoring them in favor of it's new matrix. What a rip off.

 

[xortex]

Life is but a dream, more like a nightmare told by revisionists. You can't reinvent the wheel. It's going to be quite a departure as long as they don't tamper with what made it all work - metaphisics, music and magical chemistry - and capturing God in a bottle.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

xortex said:
As long as they don't mess with established facts, continuity, and historical context - wait they are messing with those things, aren't they ? or at least ignoring them in favor of it's new matrix. What a rip off.

What established facts have they messed with or ignored?

 

[xortex]

I stand corrected, Commander, I hope. It's best they stear clear of trying to negate TOS as it can't be done. Any conflict would be a sign of negating it. I don't think it will make it without it's fan base.