Star Trek episodes/movies you agree are good but aren't your thing
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It's more like an appendix. It's vestigial organ made redundant due to evolution that causes nothing but problems, and there's no concrete evidence that it ever served any purpose.
Not an episode as such, but Brent Sooner and the mistaken belief of those in charge that he is incredibly versatile.
Any episode which calls upon Sooner to do something other than play Data I find to be a chore. There’s no way that I could sit through A Fistful of Datas for example.
I enjoy Spiner when he’s Data, he’s tolerable as Lore and at least brief as B4.
As in the thread title, I think he’s perfectly good as an actor and I know many appreciate episodes where Spiner gets to play alt-roles or even several roles within some episodes, but they are all a big no no for me.
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Any episode which calls upon Sooner to do something other than play Data I find to be a chore. There’s no way that I could sit through A Fistful of Datas for example.
I enjoy Spiner when he’s Data, he’s tolerable as Lore and at least brief as B4.
As in the thread title, I think he’s perfectly good as an actor and I know many appreciate episodes where Spiner gets to play alt-roles or even several roles within some episodes, but they are all a big no no for me.
Also, don’t post when high. This is what happens if you post when you’re high.
Not necessarily. Under normal circumstances, Starfleet would likely never have authorized a fake recording to get the Romulans involved. And in fact, it wasn't until after Betazed was taken by the Dominion that Garak even suggested manufacturing evidence... which, given the dire situation that just occured, Starfleet understandably agrees to the mission.
Under extreme conditions like that, yes, I can see why some would say Sloan's argument doesn't hold. But under normal circumstances? He's not wrong.
I can see the flipping of the two episodes flowing better narratively. I still think it works fine because Garak made it a point to say that Vreenak would likely come only if SISKO was the one making the invitation. And even by his demeanor, you can tell Vreenak thinks very lowly of Starfleet officers in general, so it would have to take one of pretty damn high caliber to even get him to look at an invitation. (And given how Vreenak seems to know so much about him when they meet, it's clear he regards Sisko as at least better than most of Starfleet.)
Considering that the meeting was necessary for everything else to occur, I don't think Section 31 could have pulled it off on their own. It had to be Sisko.
Section 31's justification for their existence is that the charter allows for extraordinary measures to be taken in times of extreme threat. Under normal circumstances Section 31 should just be sitting on their hands waiting for something extremely scary to come up.
The Starfleet Carter says that, true, but I'm thinking their logic is to be proactive and do things to prevent those extreme situations from even happening.
Sloan did make it clear to Bashir that they saved a LOT of lives without anyone knowing about it when he asked him if people would care if Bashir was genetically enhanced.
Considering that big problems almost always start from little ones, there's certainly merit to what he says.
This a hundred times.
I love Spiner as Data and can tolerate him as Lore, but MAN, does that guy love to ham it up.
“Masks” is, for me, a difficult watch largely because of Spiner’s “versatility”. I mean, I credit his ambitions, but it’s like a theatre of funny voices, one after the other. He even resurrects his silly Scrooge voice from the Christmas Carol holodeck scene in “Clues”. To say it GRATES is an understatement. I want to take potshots at my television screen whenever Spiner slips into melodramatic silly-voice mode.
To be fair, even Spiner doesn't like Masks. The way he tells the story, they shot that episode right after the one where Data gets amnesia and spends time in that primitive-ish alien village. He said usually actors would get a break between episodes centered soley or largely on their character. But during that time, he went right from shooting a Data-centric episode to shooting another Data-centric episode. To make it worse, he was playing multiple characters in Masks. He said he didn't have time to figure out one of the other characters, let alone all of them.
Which makes "Masks" even more impressive. For me, most certainly in the top 3 of TNG season 7. (And a personal favorite of the show as a whole.)
I don't know what the most divisive episode of TNG is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Masks. The people who like it seem to really like it, while other people hate it.
Personally I'd rate it as the 176th best episode of TNG and the 949th best piece of Star Trek content produced. Something has to be last place and for me it's Masks. But I don't agree that it's good.
Personally I'd rate it as the 176th best episode of TNG and the 949th best piece of Star Trek content produced. Something has to be last place and for me it's Masks. But I don't agree that it's good.
I guess Data was lucky he wasn't human ....
Getting your gonads irradiated by sitting on the warp core reaction chamber can't be good for them ....
Getting your gonads irradiated by sitting on the warp core reaction chamber can't be good for them ....
He also said that they were filming very late into the night because he (and others) kept laughing at his own dialogue.
Exactly! Masaka and Korgano, whom Picard was impersonating, were both fictional representations of that society's mythology. It's not a stretch to say that all the various 'people' that inhabited Data were fictional representations of the entire culture's mythology, not necessarily actual people from there. (For example, how can the 'sun', Masaka, have a father?)
Data did say that his impression was that there were thousands of people 'from all walks of life' in his head, but our own planet's various mythologies has thousands of people from different walks of life. While we have a vast array of different mythologies (Egyptian, Greek, Roman, etc.), that library may simply be of a single mythology. And considering that LOWER DECKS established that there are more of those D'Arsay libraries out there, there could be one for every mythology that society had.
At least Masks was swinging for something, which is more than can be said of many of its fellows from Season 7.
Here’s one:
I like it well enough, but I wouldn’t call The Wrath of Khan the best Trek movie ever. I can see exactly why others think so, but I prefer TSFS, TVH, TUC GEN, FC, 09, and BEY to it.
Here’s one:
I like it well enough, but I wouldn’t call The Wrath of Khan the best Trek movie ever. I can see exactly why others think so, but I prefer TSFS, TVH, TUC GEN, FC, 09, and BEY to it.
I’ll give him more credit then. The material he was given would have challenged most actors.
I kind of like the creepy atmosphere of Masks, but I just find those long monologues insufferable. Generally the show was running on fumes by this point and pretty much the whole season was a slog. Easily my least favourite of the seven.
Also, it’s maybe childish (although I was a child when I first watched it), but I could never get past the fact the antagonist had the same name as a popular Greek aubergine dish https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/moussaka/
Hrm, interesting question. I'd have to think about it. It's easier for me to find examples of the converse, episodes I know aren't good but I still like them ('guilty pleasures').
There's a topic for those, too.
I wasn't specifically interested in mentioning them this time, as I've done so several times in the past. I just thought it was interesting that for me, it is harder to find examples of the category this thread is for.
Come to think of it, most of TOS might be an example. I can recognize its quality, but it still isn't my trek, there's an impregnable quality to it for me, so that I can never really get 'in' it (Tempted to say 'into', but that's not exactly what I want to convey). (That's probably because both I never lived in the sixties, and, in a way, it feels more 'American' to me (a European), than most later Treks).
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