Maybe a combination of the Romulan temporal agent suffering from some form of temporal insanity, and child Khan was a clone of '90s Khan.
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Maybe a combination of the Romulan temporal agent suffering from some form of temporal insanity, and child Khan was a clone of '90s Khan.
I heard through the grapevine that there's a version of "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, Tomorrow" on Pornhub.
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Let's not forget that SNW already pushed the Eugenics Wars into some time in the 21st century back in season 1. There was that footage of unrest on Earth that was clearly supposed to reflect the kinds of things happening in the real-life 2020s, with Pike stating that this led to a second Civil War (US or World?), which came to be called the Eugenics Wars, and finally World War III; apparently a protracted period of conflicts going on for 20+ years.
TOS "Space Seed" had originally lumped the Eugenics Wars with Earth's "last so-called World War," but then this connection was never brought up again, even in First Contact which had World War III ending some time in the early 2050s. So there was fan reasoning that Spock was retroactively made incorrect in putting the Eugenics Wars and World War III in the same timeframe; the Eugenics Wars happened in the 1990s with Khan going into exile, and WWIII happened later on in the 2050s, and wasn't connected to the genetic superpeople since they were long-gone. Well, SNW put them back together again, in the mid-21st century.
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TOS "Space Seed" had originally lumped the Eugenics Wars with Earth's "last so-called World War," but then this connection was never brought up again, even in First Contact which had World War III ending some time in the early 2050s. So there was fan reasoning that Spock was retroactively made incorrect in putting the Eugenics Wars and World War III in the same timeframe; the Eugenics Wars happened in the 1990s with Khan going into exile, and WWIII happened later on in the 2050s, and wasn't connected to the genetic superpeople since they were long-gone. Well, SNW put them back together again, in the mid-21st century.
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They were very clear it was the Second US Civil War. Which lead to the 21st century Eugenics Wars breaking out in 2026.
Which means that all of PIC S2 as well as DS9‘s "Past Tense" takes place in the middle of the Second Civil War.
Were those stories set in the same timeline?
90s Trek still tried to live in the same universe as TOS as we saw it.
Khan fled Earth in 1996, no mention of a second civil war.
The dividing line, if it was not the first episode of Discovery, might have been the movie First Contact, since they moved the date of WWIII and changed the aesthetic of the Borg retroactively from The Best of Both Worlds.
Yes.
They did a piss poor job of it.
They had a World War/Eugenics War. Which SNW has related to the Civil War.
No
That’s the intent.
And SNW and DIS are also supposed to be in the same TOS universe.
Well, it is called the Eugenics Wars and not Eugenics War. Clearly there was a second one from the ‘90s. PIC – episode “Fly Me to the Moon” - even alluded to as much that there was more than on Eugenic War with the Shenzhen Convention.
DIS and FC used the same death total (600M). SNW changed it (30% of the population = 2.5B minimum). ENT tried to stay in line with both TOS (37M) and FC (600M), and TNG (post-atomic horror), and retconned the Eugenics Wars to a 21st century conflict, while acknowledging Khan, the SS Botany Bay, and the ’90s Eugenics War. Rain Robinson’s desk in “Future’s End” has a DY-100 in 1995, a year before Khan leaves Earth. DS9 retconned the Eugenics Wars to the early 2170s, but that’s a different story.
Rear Admiral Bennet does not know how to count.
It's so sad.
Poor miserable bastard.
But if we can't trust him to count to 5, how the hell are we supposed to trust him to count to 300?
(Costume goof, wrong number of pips on his uniform in Doctor Bashir I presume?.)
Or some members of the Suliban Cabal decided to cosplay as Khan and the rest of the Augments in the early days of the Federation.
The Supermen did not move as one.
Small groups, taking over entire countries, fighting each other and fighting baseline humans to secure and extend their borders, who themselves were not entirely united.
Archer's Great Grandfather fought the Supermen in North Africa, perhaps under the United Nations Flag?
The New United Nations is a thing in 2036, so maybe under that banner.
Is also possible that Archer’s great-grandfather served during the overlap of the Gulf War and the '90s Eugenics War, and had a first encounter with the Augments. And then returned to service, or even led troops, in the first decade of the 21st century Eugenics War.
Plural vs singular? I suppose the jury is still out on whether it should be considered a single war or not. Something for Federation historians to chew on. Amateurs use the terms interchangeably.
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Remember that in "Space Seed", Khan was NOT treated as like, Space Hitler. He was treated closer to like a Napoleon. Kirk calls him something like the "best of the tyrants" or some such and has a kind of admiration for him.
Noonien-Singh may well be a common name, people having renamed themselves in adoration of Khan. It's taken on something of a life of its own after the episode, but going by straight TOS... historical Khan wasn't regarded as "evil", merely a conqueror.
The United States would still exist at that time...
I do like you splitting up Eugenics Wars. In my own headcanon history, I split them into two conflicts that are collectively known as the Eugenics Wars. I have a timeline of 1st Eugenics War (called something else at the time) in the 90's, the Second American Civil War in the 2030's (SNW implies they are connected... I take it as a new attempt at an augment to seize control), 2nd Eugenics War in the 2040's (spiraling out from the 2nd ACW to engulf the world), that ultimately gives way to outright World War 3.
On a tangent in a compacted tl;dr format, I kind of disregard SNW's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow", but have Khan show up in the 90's and a bunch of augments seize control mostly in Asia, and promptly go to warring against each other. They are eventually defeated, leaving a power vacuum of these collapsed empires. Augments don't completely disappear, but the science is tightly regulated. The 2nd ACW is when an unashamed augment makes a power grab at the US Presidency, to surprisingly wide support. This augment ultimately loses the election, but his supporters are wildly loyal and reject the election results. The US erupts into civil war, and a few new augment empires rise from the ashes of the former augment empires, once again controlled by either first generation augments or their offspring. The augment rebellion is put down in the US, ending the 2nd ACW but now the new empires used the destabilization of the US for a new wave of conquest. Much of the world bands together and they are taken out of power once again, however the new leaders of those empires do not just want to sit and let the other nations roll over them. The Eastern Coalition forms from the remnants of the second augment empires, and the conflict evolves into World War 3.
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Rather than an American fighting a war in North Africa, wouldn't it be more interesting if "Archer" was a South African fighting in North Africa, since that's a lump of historical trauma we could have crippled the character with every time he met racial divisions or slavery in space?
"North Africa" is not a country, although google claims it as a region covering many countries.
There are 54 countries in the continent of Africa today.
What if by the time the Supermen finished Posturing there was only one country one on the dark continent, called Africa which had a north and a south, or by the time they got down to two factions and drew a line between two princes of the universe, that there were two countries "North Africa" and "South Africa" (but not necessarily the same place we call South Africa today.)?
"North Africa" is not a country, although google claims it as a region covering many countries.
There are 54 countries in the continent of Africa today.
What if by the time the Supermen finished Posturing there was only one country one on the dark continent, called Africa which had a north and a south, or by the time they got down to two factions and drew a line between two princes of the universe, that there were two countries "North Africa" and "South Africa" (but not necessarily the same place we call South Africa today.)?
While Archer’s great-grandfather is American, Archer’s grandfather can be an Afrikaner, and he has many half siblings or cousins who are of African descent. And its Archer’s grandfather who emigrated to North America and had Henry Archer.
No. It appeals to the ignorant viewers that see Africa as one country, instead of a continent made up of many countries.
It makes more sense that the Augments unified a bunch of nations so that there are only five countries in Africa – North Africa, West Africa, Central Africa, East Africa, South Africa – that were each ruled by Augments.
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