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The War Games -- colororized

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I wonder if this is going to be all 10 episodes or if it's going to be an edited down version. Most likely the latter, I imagine. The War Games is a personal favorite of mine and I'm usually not a fan of longer arcs. If the trailer is any indication, the regeneration scene seems to have been changed to bring it in line with the modern regeneration scenes. Not a choice I would have made, but an understandable one. Regardless, it's an excellent choice for colorization as long as the original remains available and untouched.
 
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Yeah, but personally, I remember to this day when I watched that story for the first time on dvd. It was so riveting and spell-binding, I didn't care about the padding. It was so well-made, I imagine I'm gonna miss that 160 minutes cut.

Ah, well. There's always the original!
 
It would seem that the new regeneration sequence was lifted, with permission and cooperation, from a fan edit by a YouTuber that goes by The Confession Dial. He talks about it in reply to a comment in the comment section.

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Wow, 10 episodes cut down to 90 minutes, that's a pretty massive change.
What's the longest serial classic Who ever did? I'm not counting the Key to Time or the other time all of the smaller serials all made one big arc over the season.
 
Ugh, no thanks.

But what do I know? I have the audacity to love all ten episodes.
Yeah. I'm the first to concede that classic Doctor serials are extremely, shall we say, "trimmable"? But this is 2/3 of the story! That said, I won't be able to get over my curiosity about watching the Second Doctor, Jamie and Zoe in color until I actually watch the Second Doctor, Jamie and Zoe in color, just for the "what if?" of it all. As I said in my OP, I have no issues with this existing so long as the original remains available and untouched.
 
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It's probably the most padded story in the series history, so shouldn't be too hard to cut down.

I don't agree. I think "The War Games" is very well-paced and never feels padded, because every couple of episodes, the story expands and shifts focus, so it isn't just the same thing over and over. I'd hate to see it hacked to pieces, even more than I hate the idea of colorizing something that was made in black-and-white.
 
"The Dalek's Master Plan" was 12 episodes, but I believe this is the longest completely surviving serial.

Yup. Back in the '80s when PBS showed the syndication edits where each serial was combined into a single movie-length installment, "The War Games" was the only one so long it had to be split into two parts. Which was something of a relief, since my PBS station showed them at 10 PM Saturday nights, so I had to stay up really late when they did a 6- or 7-parter.
 
If the trailer is any indication, the regeneration scene seems to have been changed to bring it in line with the modern regeneration scenes.
The peanut gallery is already declaring this a huge lore change.
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LOL
 
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I wonder if this is going to be all 10 episodes or if it's going to be an edited down version. Most likely the latter, I imagine. The War Games is a personal favorite of mine and I'm usually not a fan of longer arcs. If the trailer is any indication, the regeneration scene seems to have been changed to bring it in line with the modern regeneration scenes. Not a choice I would have made, but an understandable one. Regardless, it's an excellent choice for colorization as long as the original remains available and untouched.

Edited down to 90 minutes. After looking up viewer complaints over how "The Daleks" was edited, this will probably be one to skip. The coloring looks fantastic, but given a choice, they're going to select 88 minutes (sans credits) and not 250 minutes.

The original WILL be available.

Judging by the teaser that was released, expect more of that choir vocalization stuff to go along with the modern regeneration effect, both manage to have the opposite effect thanks to overuse.


Wow, 10 episodes cut down to 90 minutes, that's a pretty massive change.

From 10 episodes to 1.5 episodes, which sounds more striking than "from 250 minutes to 90." Even book reviews from the 90s state "rating (episodes 1-9): 6/10, rating (episode 10): 10." If that gives any hints as to what will be chopped out of this story.

What's the longest serial classic Who ever did? I'm not counting the Key to Time or the other time all of the smaller serials all made one big arc over the season.

"The Daleks' Masterplan" was 12 episodes and qualifies directly to your criteria.

"The Trial of a Time Lord" was 14 episodes, but that's a gray area between episode count and structure not unlike "The Key to Time".


Ugh, no thanks.

But what do I know? I have the audacity to love all ten episodes.

Nothing audacious about that all, unless it's forbidden to do so?!
 
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The peanut gallery is already declaring this a huge lore change.
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LOL

I don't think it's huge, but... also note that season "6B" was described by fans to explain some continuity issues and was officially accepted by the BBC?

Yup. Back in the '80s when PBS showed the syndication edits where each serial was combined into a single movie-length installment, "The War Games" was the only one so long it had to be split into two parts. Which was something of a relief, since my PBS station showed them at 10 PM Saturday nights, so I had to stay up really late when they did a 6- or 7-parter.

My PBS station, airing this at 10pm on Saturday, broke this up between parts as well. It's reminiscent of old 1940s movies where, halfway in or so, they had a big 'INTERMISSION' sign appear on the screen so people could get water and treats to ingest or expel.

Classic Who really was meant to be watched in multiple installments, at which point all of the talk of "this is long and padding and boring" evaporates faster than a shotglass of scotch on the surface of the sun because now everyone wants to sit through it all in one setting and not to actually enjoy it for what it is. I also remember early VHS releases that were cut down and friends and I argued the same thing - why cut the story down? (All this getting worse once missing episodes were brought up at the events, as that's arguably worse than a missing scene.) Apparently now it's the hip thing to want it all whittled down to as little as they can manage? Kinda funny, fans back then vs what fans seem to want now.

I don't agree. I think "The War Games" is very well-paced and never feels padded, because every couple of episodes, the story expands and shifts focus, so it isn't just the same thing over and over. I'd hate to see it hacked to pieces, even more than I hate the idea of colorizing something that was made in black-and-white.

^^this

It has a variety of locations and makes really good use of them all. Especially when considering, thanks to season production troubles, that the writers had to complete one episode in something like three days, "The War Games" is a genuine tantamount. There's only one plot point to nitpick (Zoe doesn't remember Villa despite seeing him in a photo earlier in the episode and her main notable trait is photographic/eidetic memory), and even then it's not a terrible one as Zoe has so many other scenes that show her in a great light. Given how fast the episodes had to be written, they had no real time to make edits and had to roll with it...

The coloring looks fantastic. The editing will probably remove a lot of the sprinkles of time zone background information, and based on the modern regeneration effect, I expect the new music to be overloaded with choral wailing. Which is funny because the story, in 1969, without the music, managed to sell the huge nature of the Time Lords without it. Again, for how rapidly the story was churned out, they wrote it really well.
 
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note that season "6B" was described by fans to explain some continuity issues and was officially accepted by the BBC?
I don't think 6B was ever officially adopted by the BBC. The only times it's been seemingly acknowledged on the show was The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors. The Five Doctors was written by Terrance Dicks, who is basically the architect of 6B, so not too shocking he acknowledged it, though I believe he played it off as a mistake due to faulty memory afterwards to get around BBC's rule that TV shows can't acknowledge tie-in materials, backing it up with his philosophy of "continuity is only whatever I can remember." Meanwhile with The Two Doctors, it's generally believed Robert Holmes genuinely forgot the Second Doctor wasn't sent on missions by the Time Lords during the show. Though given his friendship with Terrance Dicks, it's been debated in some circles whether he really forgot or just said he did in order to not get in trouble for referencing his friend's work in the tie-in material.
 
I will just stick to my restoration dvd collection thank you very much, nothing cut, nothing removed, just the way the people who made them intended them to be.

I never in a million years back in 2006, when i bought The Beginning Hartnell box set, would have thought that owning the original shows on physical media would pay dividends in the not to distant future, funny how things work out.
 
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It's probably the most padded story in the series history, so shouldn't be too hard to cut down.

If I may be so bold and ask a question: Which scene(s) or set pieces in this story do you feel the most padded?
 
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