The Undiscovered Country Is My Favourite Movie!

[AJBryant]

I haven't really enjoyed a Trek film as much as I wanted to enjoy them since Wrath of Khan. They've all had something in them that made me want to kick the writers in the head.

Tony

 

[Dart]

golakers said:

Admiral_Young said:


Another moment I love is where the Enterprise crew beams down to Kitomer in order to prevent the assasination of the President and Kirk leaps and knocks down the President while saying "Kirk, Enterprise!" as if the President didn't already know him!!!

Admiral Young

Kirk is actually hailing the Enterprise, not identifying himself to the President.

The president was actually blind.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Admiral_Young said:
^ Yeah he's not communicating with Enterprise...why would he have to for? He's clearly identifying himself to the President.

I wasn't concerned about this on preview night. The President knew only that he was being approached by a random Starfleet officer in the heat of action.

However, as mentioned by Nick Meyer in the DVD DE commentary, the original take on the UFP President was that the Efrosian was blind.

We even saw him using strange, dark-lensed, pince-nez glasses to view hardcopy plans earlier, so it seems he needs the lenses to permit him to see certain colour wavelengths, rather like Geordi's VISOR. And then we see Kirk introducing himself the way he did, which fits with all that.

The Efrosian in ST IV (Nick Ramos) had white-irised eyes, and many fans have assumed that meant he was blind, too. For ST VI, Kurtwood Smith wore intense blue-irised contact lenses to play his Efrosian.

 

[od0_ital]

^

I think it was the novelization that said the President had bad / weak eyes, not blind, but not 20/20 either.

 

[Valin]

od0_ital said:

golakers said:

Admiral_Young said:


Another moment I love is where the Enterprise crew beams down to Kitomer in order to prevent the assasination of the President and Kirk leaps and knocks down the President while saying "Kirk, Enterprise!" as if the President didn't already know him!!!

Admiral Young

Kirk is actually hailing the Enterprise, not identifying himself to the President.

That would be pretty impressive, considerin' he didn't have a communicator handy. Did he think his voice would reach all the way into orbit?

It did when he yelled, "Khaaaaan!" in STII.

 

[od0_ital]

Valin said:

od0_ital said:

golakers said:

Admiral_Young said:
Another moment I love is where the Enterprise crew beams down to Kitomer in order to prevent the assasination of the President and Kirk leaps and knocks down the President while saying "Kirk, Enterprise!" as if the President didn't already know him!!!

Admiral Young

Kirk is actually hailing the Enterprise, not identifying himself to the President.

That would be pretty impressive, considerin' he didn't have a communicator handy. Did he think his voice would reach all the way into orbit?

It did when he yelled, "Khaaaaan!" in STII.

Well, he was younger then, and it still took him a few tries to get his voice to break orbit.

 

[DonIago]

^Plus he was actually holding a communicator at the time.

 

[RAMA]

Admiral_Young said:
I can't get enough of this film for some reason. It has the distinction of being the first Trek film I saw in theatres back in 1991 (when I was 12) went with two of my friends and saw it in the cheap theatre. Sat front row...it'd already been out for quite some time so there was only about maybe ten totally people in their with us. This was shortly after I'd discovered Star Trek and was blown away by it!! LOL

Now sixteen years later it holds a place of honor in my DVD collection of being my favourite Star Trek movie! I love everything there is about this film. From the premise of making peace with the Klingons, to it being the final adventure of the original series cast! General Chang is my favourite Trek movie villan with Khan a close second...the Klingon bastard's continous quoting of Shakespeare is awesome and I love McCoy's line in the Torpedo tube with Spock "I'd give real money if he'd Shut up!" There's a very quick moment where Spock looks up at McCoy with like "I agree with you" expression.

There is everything in this movie except romance...which is quite unneccessary considering the darkness (IMO) of this movie. Action, drama, comedy, brilliant fight sequences (love the battle between Chang's cloaked bird of prey and the Enterprise. How the Klingon Torpedoes literally start ripping the starship apart. Sulu's line "Then shake her apart!" is awesome showing how much of a bad ass Sulu has become!

The soundtrack is amongst my favourite soundtracks as well...a great score!!!

Admiral Young

Its not a bad film, but it doesn't stand the test of time very well....its sort of cheap looking compared to Nemesis, and has a small scale tv feel to it.

RAMA

 

[od0_ital]

DonIago said:
^Plus he was actually holding a communicator at the time.

Yeah, that, too.

 

[Valin]

DonIago said:
^Plus he was actually holding a communicator at the time.

You weren't supposed to notice that.

 

[KennyB]

"Target that explosion and fire......." that line begins one of my favorite 60 seconds of Trek....Seeing both federation ships unloading on the Bird of Prey is just bad ass!

 

[Admiral_Young]

I disagree...i think it holds up great and looks fantastic still.

Admiral Young

 

[votd]

My one niggle is why the Klingons get all their power from one moon - why the hell would they need to decomission their fleet becaue one power source blew up? They're supposed to be an empire you can't tell me they power an entire empire from one moon!

 

[Therin of Andor]

^The explosion also affected the long term viability of the homeworld's atmosphere, meaning a lot of resources would need to be rechanneled.

Also, the previous canonical movies and TV shows have never presented the Romulan or Klingon Empires as much more than one or two home planets.

 

[votd]

That's another thing which kinda confused me :-s if the Klingon and Romulan Empires are one or two planets how could they be a serious threat to the Federation which is 150+ planets?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Was it canonically 150+ in TOS?

 

[votd]

It probably wasn't...though was it ever mentioned in TOS? It must have been quite a few though; is it likely that the Federation swelled to that size in 80 years?

 

[Nebusj]

Therin of Andor said:
Was it canonically 150+ in TOS?

Kirk tells Cochrane in ``Metamorphosis'' that ``We're on a thousand planets and spreading out''.

 

[Sci]

Nebusj said:

Therin of Andor said:
Was it canonically 150+ in TOS?

Kirk tells Cochrane in ``Metamorphosis'' that ``We're on a thousand planets and spreading out''.

Yeah, but 80% of those worlds could just have one city with a population of about 20,000 each for all we know.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^There could be many colonized worlds with very low populations...