The Refrigerator Theory

[brcarthey]

Easy, easy.
It's just a book and books aren't canon unless you choose them to be. IMO Janeway lived happily ever after on Earth after "Endgame". That's what the general audience saw and that's what we saw in "Nemesis" too.

*nods*

Yes... yes, this is the truth. I can accept this truth.

I am strong in the Force.

i don't know if it's the force, but you're definitely strong in something...maybe it's due to that bowl of 3-alarm chili you had recently.

 

[exodus]

*nods*

Yes... yes, this is the truth. I can accept this truth.

I am strong in the Force.

i don't know if it's the force, but you're definitely strong in something...maybe it's due to that bowl of 3-alarm chili you had recently.

I'll see you after school at 3 O'clock, buddy!

 

[Dancing Doctor]

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Oooh... that one is shiny!

 

[Dancing Doctor]

I'm having fun with this.

 

[Kathryn-janeway]

Iv never heard of this before. But by any chance is the person who wrote this a femminst. ?
Iv got to disagree with this theory. Yea Janeway and other characters within star trek have being killed or murdered. But never being sexual abused . But i can understand how physical and emotional abuse can happen such as the characters within the DS9.

Im not sure im making sense :/

 

[Kathryn-janeway]

I'm thinking of changing my avatar to Janeway...perhaps with "Still. Not. Dead."

I like

Oh and i love these

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Tasha Yar was raped while growing up on Turkana IV.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I like

Oh and i love these

Please feel free to upload and use. Just give me some credit.

 

[Kathryn-janeway]

Tasha Yar was raped while growing up on Turkana IV.

i see .

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Tasha Yar was raped while growing up on Turkana IV.

i see .

Yeah.

And, Deanna was literally mind-f**ked in Nemesis, as well as during episodes like Man of the People.

 

[Kathryn-janeway]

Tasha Yar was raped while growing up on Turkana IV.

i see .

Yeah.

And, Deanna was literally mind-f**ked in Nemesis, as well as during episodes like Man of the People.

i remember now. That's one barrier i actually wished star trek didn't cross but that's me.

 

[teya]

Since rape is a component of many womens' experience, why not show it in fiction? Sure, it's painful to read or view, but it's also *real*.

It surprises me that women would want to exclude that. It feels sadly like shame--something we don't talk about.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Joan Didion wrote an interesting piece about the Central Park Jogger rape case titled Sentimental Journeys. She makes a point similar to the one you have.

 

[Brit]

Iv never heard of this before. But by any chance is the person who wrote this a femminst. ?

Probably, but feminism isn't a dirty word and actually fits into the world that Gene Roddenberry was trying to build.

Iv got to disagree with this theory. Yea Janeway and other characters within star trek have being killed or murdered. But never being sexual abused . But i can understand how physical and emotional abuse can happen such as the characters within the DS9.

The definition of "Woman In the Refrigerater" doesn't have to be sexually abused, any kind of life altering abuse would fit the criteria. Yes a high number are sexually abused, but not all. I would think that losing your individuality and a limb or two, would qualify as abuse and the queen herself loses almost all of her body completely.

 

[froot]

Since rape is a component of many womens' experience, why not show it in fiction? Sure, it's painful to read or view, but it's also *real*.

It surprises me that women would want to exclude that. It feels sadly like shame--something we don't talk about.

I don't think it's so much that rape/abuse shouldn't be brought up. It's how often and for what reasons they're brought up that could be the problem.

Anyway, this theory seems to be speaking more about the undignified deaths/depowering of powerful female heroes, and how they're only used to further the stories of the male ("real") heroes. This isn't really about abuse. I would again say that VOY, the TV show, doesn't really have this problem. The PB books absolutely do. Not sure about other Star Treks, but I don't think the other Star Treks (outside of DS9) write women main characters very well to start with. They're usually stuck in the "acceptable" roles: physicians, councilors, translators - that sort of thing. Tasha Yar was outside that mold, and died.

 

[teya]

Since rape is a component of many womens' experience, why not show it in fiction? Sure, it's painful to read or view, but it's also *real*.

It surprises me that women would want to exclude that. It feels sadly like shame--something we don't talk about.

I don't think it's so much that rape/abuse shouldn't be brought up. It's how often and for what reasons they're brought up that could be the problem.

Anyway, this theory seems to be speaking more about the undignified deaths of powerful female heroes, and how they're only used to further the stories of the male ("real") heroes. This isn't really about abuse. I would again say that VOY, the TV show, doesn't really have this problem. The PB books absolutely do.

Thing is, the real story of *any* death is the impact it has on the living. Doesn't matter if it's a glorious death in battle or a quiet death at home.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

They do okay. (Spoilers)

The Vanguard series, for example, has a Commander Atish Khatami becoming the CO of the Constitution-class starship U.S.S Endeavour after its previous CO is KIA.

However, the first book in the series has the female CO of the Miranda-class starship U.S.S Bombay killed, with all hands, during a battle with Tholian ships...although she does kick their butts pretty badly.

Interestingly, we see the lesbian lover of the Vulcan Starfleet Intelligence Officer on the starbase get fridged.

 

[froot]

Since rape is a component of many womens' experience, why not show it in fiction? Sure, it's painful to read or view, but it's also *real*.

It surprises me that women would want to exclude that. It feels sadly like shame--something we don't talk about.

I don't think it's so much that rape/abuse shouldn't be brought up. It's how often and for what reasons they're brought up that could be the problem.

Anyway, this theory seems to be speaking more about the undignified deaths of powerful female heroes, and how they're only used to further the stories of the male ("real") heroes. This isn't really about abuse. I would again say that VOY, the TV show, doesn't really have this problem. The PB books absolutely do.

Thing is, the real story of *any* death is the impact it has on the living. Doesn't matter if it's a glorious death in battle or a quiet death at home.

Yeah, that is true. But how often is the one who dies a female? And how often is it that that death is the turning point for some male hero? Someone noted that "Full Circle," much as I think it's accurate to the characters, falls into this pretty nicely.

Spoiler: Full Circle

Chakotay goes bananas after Kathryn dies. He drinks, becomes withdrawn, throws Voyager headlong into danger, and basically changes the whole direction of his life. Kathryn, the main character of the TV series, was fridged for some Chakotay character development. Beyer, (who clearly liked the characters) had to work with what she had been given, of course, but the whole story still became a bit of a stereotype. The female hero is out of the picture, and room is made for the real heroes. B'Elanna also spends most of the time stuck in a shuttle playing Mom while Tom plays First Officer and does all the "real work."

 

[froot]

They do okay. (Spoilers)

The Vanguard series, for example, has a Commander Atish Khatami becoming the CO of the Constitution-class starship U.S.S Endeavour after its previous CO is KIA.

However, the first book in the series has the female CO of the Miranda-class starship U.S.S Bombay killed, with all hands, during a battle with Tholian ships...although she does kick their butts pretty badly.

Interestingly, we see the lesbian lover of the Vulcan Starfleet Intelligence Officer on the starbase get fridged.

Yeah, I had to rethink what I wrote, there. I think there's some great non-main female characters... it's more the main female characters in TV Trek (outside of DS9 and VOY) that get the short shrift.