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Spoilers The Bastardization of Star Trek

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I misspoke. I didn't mean believable as in it may actually be possible some day. I meant they at least strives to have it make some kind of sense in the star trek reality. The whole qunatum probability field being fixed by singing was so far gone and so cringy.

Wow, I'm really kind of alone on this.
No more than any other "magical" solution for the anomaly of the week. They examined the problem. Found the rules that applied and used them to engineer a solution.
 
With a series based in plausible future science, making up a quantum probability field that makes everyone sing and can only be broken if everyone sings at once.....
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As opposed to a transporter beam splitting Kirk into his good and evil halves? Or Q creating a "Robin Hood" fantasy for Picard or crew? Or a Bajoran orb causing Sisko to become a 1950s pulp SF writer?

Trek has never been rigorously hard-SF all the time. It slips into the Twilight Zone sometimes.

Which is a good thing, IMO. Makes for a wide variety of episodes and approaches. Means you get everything from "The Trouble with Tribbles" to "In the Pale Moonlight."
 
The second episode ever made is literally about a psychokinetic energy field inside a vast barrier at the edge of our galaxy that gives humans dangerous ESP powers and eventually godlike abilities if left unchecked. That's about as Twilight Zone/Outer Limits as you can get.
 
A subspace anomaly that makes everyone sing to music they can hear coming from a place they do not know is no more absurd than a negative energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy that gives people with ESP potential godlike powers, or a warp drive malfunction that takes the ship to a place where the crew becomes able to objectify their own thoughts. The bonus is that at least with the singing, we can be boldly amused in ways we've never been amused before. So....

Oh, phooey, I got ninja'd, more or less.
 
I get where you are coming from with SNW.Honestly I do but I’m learning to just go with it.
Tastes have changed since TOS.
Instead of speculative sci-fi with an action/adventure aspect SNW seems to be more character driven than TOS.Not bad just different.
I watched the musical episode...didn’t love it,didn’t hate it but there you go.
 
I get where you are coming from with SNW.Honestly I do but I’m learning to just go with it.
Tastes have changed since TOS.
Instead of speculative sci-fi with an action/adventure aspect SNW seems to be more character driven than TOS.Not bad just different.
I watched the musical episode...didn’t love it,didn’t hate it but there you go.
Not sure TOS spent much time "speculating". :lol:
 
A few points to go over before I begin. This represents my opinion which is no more or less valid than anyone else's. While the title appears inflammatory it conveys thoughts made before I decided to make this post and is not intended to provoke anyone. I'm more than happy and willing to entertain opinions that differ from my own. Finally there is no way to accurately describe my position without giving away spoilers regarding Picard and the latest S02E09 episode of Strange New Worlds (SNW).
One thing to keep in mind about this BBS is that it is pretty slanted towards pro-NuTrek. It's just survivorship bias after natural attrition. Some people bailed at the beginning of DISCOVERY. Others when PICARD season 1 went off the rails. And there is the elephant in the room political component as well.

I bailed after the end of DISCOVERY season 2. I followed from afar with disgust reviews going over the initial PICARD episodes. I only came back because I was a fan of the replacement PICARD showrunner.

I was a 90's kid. I grew up watching TNG and Voyager with a bit of DS9. I still like to rewatch TNG and became excited when new Star Trek series started to come out, ESPECIALLY when the OG Picard came back. The nostalgic elation I felt was only matched by the supreme crash back down to Earth as I watched what I perceived to be the bastardization of the Star Trek canaan, mostly with Picard and SNW.
SNW is an unwatchable dumpster fire in my view. I've seen 9 of its now 19 episodes, and yeah, it does mess with canon to a point even DISCOVERY wouldn't cross.

PICARD season 2 is bad, but say on the level with the misfires of TNG season 1. I'm a big fan of PICARD season 3. I like PRODIGY. And, I find that after it stabilizes at the end of its season 1, the positives outweigh the negatives with LOWER DECKS, but it continues to make many unforced errors.

I'm not against a show departing from it's original path, but it at least has to make sense. It at least has to be written well. When you're making episodes for a series as iconic as Star Trek, you need to know what the f* you're doing. Does anyone consider me to be off base here? Am I the only one that's watched this unfold and thought, "what the hell are they doing?"
Your sentiments might find better representation on YouTube, and some have been reflected by the Popcast and Robert Meyer Burnett.
 
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The second episode ever made is literally about a psychokinetic energy field inside a vast barrier at the edge of our galaxy that gives humans dangerous ESP powers and eventually godlike abilities if left unchecked. That's about as Twilight Zone/Outer Limits as you can get.

I wrote an essay recently about how TOS owes more to The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits than modern-day fans may appreciate. It's going to be published sometime in the fall, I believe. (More details as they solidify.)
 
SNW is an unwatchable dumpster fire in my view. I've seen 9 of its now 19 episodes, and yeah, it does mess with canon to a point even DISCOVERY wouldn't cross.
Hahaha...I am not even a huge canon guy, but I can say, with 1000% percent confidence that Discovery 100% walked over lines that SNW isn't willing to do.

One thing to keep in mind about this BBS is that it is pretty slanted towards pro-NuTrek.
Yes. That's why so many people on here say "TOS is my favorite."

Crazy people.
 
Yes. That's why so many people on here say "TOS is my favorite."

In my experience, when people insist that something "isn't STAR TREK," what they usually mean is "it isn't TNG." At least most of time.

As though, again, the 90s-era stuff is the only "real" STAR TREK, as opposed to the classic 1960s stuff and newer 21st-century shows.

Personally, I've been around long enough to see Trek revived and reinvented (and, inevitably, denounced by old-school purists) over and over again. It doesn't faze me anymore. :)
 
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I misspoke. I didn't mean believable as in it may actually be possible some day. I meant they at least strives to have it make some kind of sense in the star trek reality. The whole qunatum probability field being fixed by singing was so far gone and so cringy.

Wow, I'm really kind of alone on this.

Hey it's your opinion. That's OK. I see what youre getting at. I just thought as they explained it was just a possibility of something that came true because of the field. At least the actors played it straight and it wasn't downright ridiculous when they weren't singing. They were actually trying to seriously find a solution.
 
I can't believe I seem to be alone on this. All of you really watched this stuff happen without a second thought? None of this bothers anyone? I knew there would be some detractors, but I assumed I'd have crowd support on this.
One more thing... A (legal) view is a view. Hate watching it counts just the same as like watching it for internal metrics. So, if you hate a Star Trek franchise series, watching it only contributes to the potential production of more of it. I'd suggest following it from afar, and if things appear to change in your favor, you can come back and catch up.

(EDITED TO ADD) Yet another point... There are several posters on this board that actively enjoy seeing some legacy Trek fans reach their breaking point with NuTrek. They won't engage your points with good faith, just ridicule you, enjoy your frustrations, and be assholes. I share some of your objections, and find some other ones pretty objectionable. But at a certain point it is what it is. Luckily this isn't the entire epicenter of Star Trek on the internet.
 
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Jesus, I take a few hours to go swim in the pool and this gem of a thread shows up?
 
Does anyone consider me to be off base here?

Most definitely.

what the hell are they doing?"

Star Trek. They're doing Star Trek.

that's wrong. That's the wrong way to do it.

In your opinion, which I happen to believe is wrong.

I can't believe I seem to be alone on this.

Oh, you're not alone. Not that you'll be in very good company.

All of you really watched this stuff happen without a second thought?

Yep.

None of this bothers anyone?

Nope.

but I assumed I'd have crowd support on this.

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Wow, I'm really kind of alone on this.

Mostly.

SNW is an unwatchable dumpster fire in my view.

You would think that.

Your sentiments might find better representation on YouTube, and some have been reflected by the Popcast and Robert Meyer Burnett.

Ah, yes. Everyone knows how cool and level headed the comment sections are on YouTube. And yes, I'm sure you'll adore the arrogant, egotistical, self-important rants of RMB.
 
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