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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

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I mean, they've already explicitly given themselves an out for making changes (which I'm all for, since I have no particular attachment to TOS).
It's a business decision. Courting a new, younger audience is wise. They've seen morose Spock and it's only kinda wierd guys who wanted Spock to stay that way. I got into Trek in the 70s but I've always wanted Spock/Christine and I wanted Spock to become a real grown man, not this outward facade/ inner little boy suffering thing. I think they're getting rid of Pon Farr too. Just my guess. I think they travelled to another multiverse in episode three.
 
The irony: T'Pring claims to love Spock and accept his human side, then punishes him for a human mistake that he made.
This is what's wrong with their relationship. T'Pring cut her teeth on her mother and is replicating her devouring behavior. T'Pring cannot forgive a teeny fault like this.
 
T’Pring comes back and sees this.
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Sarek's not divorced. TNG outright said Amanda was his first wife. SNW doubled down on this with Spock describing Sybok as being born "out of wedlock". So we don't know what the circumstances between Sybok's mother (a Vulcan princess) and Sarek was, but they weren't married.

As for Spock going insane and dying alone during pon farr, I suppose it was possible but whoa are those fears unfounded. When all is said and done Spock will probably be canonically established to have bedded more women than Kirk did. We haven't even gotten to Leila Kalomi yet!
They probably will not put her in there. After season 2 ep 3 we are in another trekverse. I'm convinced of it.
 
Fun episode that suffers from the prequel nature forcing canon adherence unfortunately. Chapel and Spock are good together, but it's doomed to fail unless they use some clever trick to explain why they hid their relationship during TOS and the movies.

I'm not really sure how I feel about the whole mother-in-law thing. It feels like a sexist trope, but I'll let someone else articulate whether or not it's actually problematic these days.

That said, Vulcans really are a stupid culture. lol
I know it's a problem with all of Star Trek's cultures, except maybe the Bajorans, but one wonders how they have all these stupid rules while managing their reliance on logic.
Why is that women are always forgiven for their pathological behavior? Janice Lester tries to kill a man and in the end she just cries and a big hero comes up, says "I love you" and it's all ok. Women can be covert narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, all of it. They are just experts at submarining people because they are weak. Women can and do act out evil intentions, then they claim victimhood as weak fragile vessels and get away with it.
 
That was fun!!! A Vulcan episode is always gonna be good stuff for me.

I loved seeing Amanda (does Mia Kirshner keep getting more gorgeous?). T'Pring's mother is apparently a Vulcan Karen and her father is a really affable, yet henpecked guy.

The by-the-book interdimensional aliens were cool, though kind of a shame they didn't delve more into them. They ended up as mcguffins, which is OK too.
 
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To be fair, part of that was they basically wanted to get rid of the Klingons.
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LOL, yeah one of the first thing i thought.

However I think this was the way to go so it does not break canon as spock and tpring are still a couple, they are just on a trail separation. however on spock's end. it is cheating.... kind off.

the love triangle feel so rushed, spock and tpring take time apart and he jumps into another romance asap. i think this is were the messy stuff will start.
 
I liked this episode a lot more than I thought I would. It's competing with the Kirk episode for personal best of the season so far. I like the T'Pring actress so it's always nice to get her back, and it was neat seeing her family, as well as Amanda again too. I really liked Spock sticking up for his mother, as well as exposing he was human for most of the ritual. Also liked mention of human odor, which harkens back to T'Pol on ENT.

I liked the aliens, I liked how Uhura, Ortegas, and Chapel were the ones who went to find them. Good use of the ensemble cast. Also like a lot of the costuming in this one, T'Pring's dress in particular.

I didn't care necessarily for how human Spock acted though. They described it like he was a teenager, and I don't see why he would necessarily act like a teenager. He's an adult, and I could see him struggling with unrestrained emotions, but not acting like a teen. I suppose that was done for comedic effect, but it didn't make much sense to me. Further, the scene where Uhura, La'an, Una, and Ortegas are teaching Spock to be Vulcan is another scene, which worked as comedy I suppose, but didn't make much sense either. Spock has been half-human all along, and learned to integrate his feelings, and he has been culturally Vulcan since birth, so he wouldn't need them teaching him how to be Vulcan.

When T'Pring's mother was ripping into Spock, I do wish she had gotten a jab in on Sybok. But oh well. I suppose she didn't want to go after Sarek owing to her husband's relationship with him.

I'm not the biggest fan of Spock and Chapel getting it on in the context of TOS/Trek overall franchise, however, I think that it works for SNW because that's how they've been setting it up.
 
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Just finished the episode. It was ok. A bit better then last weeks. I gave that one a 6 so this I will give a 7. The season has been a little weaker compared to last season imo.

I Liked the Kerkorvians.(sp?) They reminded me of something we would have seen in the animated series. The whole scene with Chapel, Ortega's and Uhura interacting with them gave me animated series vibes. They really put that VR wall to good use don't they ???...:D
 
ok, this episode was so much fun. It was funny, there was a great problem to overcome, Ethan Peck is fantastic as Spock, the crew interactions were wonderful. Loved all of it, and Chapel has been fantastic this whole series. And that moment in Spock's quarters at the end? Allow me to fangirl a moment SQUEEEEEEEE

Ok, I think I'm done. So good.
 
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I've always wondered why Amanda Grayson, a modern 23rd century woman, would agree to such an outmoded idea of an arranged marriage for her son.

I wouldn't say arranged marriage is outmoded, given its prevalence even today (in South Asian culture, for example). It is something one might struggle to understand, from a western perspective?
 
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