In fairness, that little exploit could have been specifically set up for Georgiou as part of her debriefing - although that in itself is unconfirmed.
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In fairness, that little exploit could have been specifically set up for Georgiou as part of her debriefing - although that in itself is unconfirmed.
To what end?
To test her reaction. See her response. It's an interview after all and knowing how she reacts to the interview is information in of itself.
And how was she supposed to know about the possibility, planted intentionally (so you say), to disable the hologram by blinking?
Just that Janeway, Picard and Kirk have all on occasion as Captains, reacted to trauma/loss/pain/anger with reactionary, defensive, behavior.
For example, in Equinox Janeway was going to let Ransom and his crew die painfully because she was so (reasonably, I feel) disgusted with their exploitative and solipsistic actions, she only pulled back because of Chakotay.
And similarly in The Undisovered Country and First Contact both Kirk and Picard have understandably revenge-based reactions/attitudes towards Klingons and the Borg, respectively, that Spock and Lily Sloane helped talk them out of.
Again, I don’t think either Janeway, Picard or Kirk are petty people, but I think even good people are capable of petty behavior when emotionally compromised or especially agitated.
Georgiou states "you need to update your firmware" indicating that this flaw was present in 23rd century holograms.
She probably DIDN'T know.
Georgiou likely wanted to see whether 32nd century holo's might respond in a similar capacity to 23rd century holo's so she could skip the prelude and talk to Kovach... it was as much a test of 32nd century technology from Georgiou's point of view as Kovach was testing/debriefing her as well.
The whole scene and ensuing conversation between the two was both gauging each others reactions and responses.
For Kovach, its possible he wanted to give her a sense of 'accomplishment'... a way for Georgiou to 'relax' a bit with a bit of a 'personal triumph' to make the entire debriefing process easier in a very new environment - whereas in reality the 32nd century holo's probably don't have such 'flaws'.
But again, its just pure speculation on my part that Georgiou's holos were programmed with that flaw.
In all honesty, given how many security breaches SF had in the past and was supposed to learn from them, it REALLY wouldn't surprise me if this 'flaw' was effectively still present in their holo's.
Can you imagine how silly/stupid it would actually be?
Picture this: 'Latest UFP IT news: a rather serious 930 year old exploit in security holograms which can be triggered by blinking at their harmonic rate to shut them down was just fixed.
Note: Perhaps the Federation should examine all presently used software and try to use adaptive algorithms to see if they can find any similar and other types of exploits in their OS and general software... and if they do, automatically fix them.'
so it was a real flaw, just not of the 32nd century? Ah, all must be well then! Right.
I mean, I imagine it is a backdoor protection to allow people to shut them down if they go rogue. Kind of like a logic problem with Mudd's Androids.
Not a particularly effective method of securty precaution given how slow it is. Would this work the same if the holo's weren't looking at the person doing the blinking for example?
And if they did go rogue, the holo's could easily overpower an organic in a very brief period of time before the organic even had a chance to reach half-way in the blinking process (plus, would most people be able to retain their composure if they're fighting for their lives to blink out the needed shut down sequence?).
As we know, there are much better, effective and faster methods at disabling holo's should the need arise.
Back doors are usually used as a means before violence occurs.
"I've been pleasantly surprised about how good Prodigy has been, especially after the disappointing Discovery and Picard. The only problem has been all the Paw Patrol commercials."
Saw this comment on YouTube but if that ain't the truth. Prodigy has also now caused me to binge watch all of the new 2021 Rugrats cartoon. I am both ashamed and amused at the same time.
Saw this comment on YouTube but if that ain't the truth. Prodigy has also now caused me to binge watch all of the new 2021 Rugrats cartoon. I am both ashamed and amused at the same time.
too bad voyager forgot about this when they ran in those rogue holograms.
Also, way too slow to be of any use. A safe word would be much more effective and easier to perform consistently.
Or it didn't last long. Like androids not being defeated by logic problems.
I still maintain that there is a possibility that Kovach specifically programmed his interrogation holo's with that 'weakness' for Georgiou because she would be familiar with it (given the century she comes from) and would somewhat perhaps put her at relative ease for the debrief, but that otherwsie, 32nd century holo's don't have such faults.
Yup. Kovich was exploring her reactions.
Yes, though when did Trek writers actually do this?
I cannot seem to recall an instance when SF crews used this method successfully (there may have been attempts, but usually they resulted in failure).
Violence always seems to ensure BEFORE they use the backdoor and if they try to use it, it fails.
Trek logic I suppose (but to be fair, their computers are ridiculously powerful with subspace and superluminal properties, and practically self aware with amazing adaptive algorithms, so that WOULD in effect be an 'excuse' for Trek to get away with it.
Holograms (if programmed properly) can be quite amazing and adept. We've also seen they can grow and learn (though for this ability to work OUTSIDE the holodeck, Lewis Zimmerman seems to have been the first one to achieve this with his EMH Mark I).
The only case I can recall that bears a similarity would be in ST: Prodigy when Gwyn gave Janeway upgrades preventing her from being overwritten so easily and allowing her to physically engage people and fight them if need be.
Holo Janeway was too easily manipulated/overwritten from what we saw... which is probably attributed to her being a 'low priority system'... but still, you'd think SF would have programmed her (being based on real Janeway after all) to be able to become solid at will and have greater access to help defend the ship if the need be with algorithms that already prevent her from being hijacked (like Gwyn did in the fourth episode).
It is Trek logic. That such failsafes will not be used or fail to work. Manual overrides fail in Star Trek all the time.Violence always seems to ensure BEFORE they use the backdoor and if they try to use it, it fails.
Trek logic
No I wouldn't expect that because Starfleet fails to plan for such eventualities, such as that Janeway hologram would be operating without another Starfleet officer providing oversight to the ship's functioning.
Which actually makes it worse because SF already knew of situations where the CO was unavailable due to various circumstances (ala Voyager) and the EMH was the only one left onboard that could deal with the situation at hand.
I was actually hoping that holo Janeway was programmed for such eventualities in case the CO wasn't available (for whatever reason)... in which case, she could assume temporary command (much like the EMH did).
I mean, the VOY crew was able to pull it off in the field... so I don't see the issue with this being the case with Holo Janeway when SF was programming her - but as you say, the way the shows are written, they make SF look very incompetent.
They could have still limited her programming to a degree if they were worried about her going rogue for whatever reason, but otherwise, I don't see a problem in giving her the ability to become solid or permeable to matter interaction (aka people) so she could conduct some maintenance other automation can't or wasn't programmed for, and help defend the ship at the very least against intruders.
She'd be able to take on Drednok with relative ease.
That's not her purpose.
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