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Star Trek: Picard is Good Star Trek
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That’s the idea
If only that could be achieved now. Oh, well. One can dream, can't they?
This is an interesting way of looking at it. I was surprised at how much I liked The Orville and praised it as being "Star Trek done right." The problem with viewing it that way is that it isn't Star Trek. It has the novelty being a parody, along with having a superficial pseudo newness to it. If it was played straight and actually called Star Trek I don't think it would be viewed as favorably. People would complain that it's just a retread of TNG and that it lacks ambition.
Even TNG could be considered "not Star Trek". I love TNG but one criticism of it was that it often times had an overly sanctimonious feel to it.. I don't remember TOS coming across that way, but bear in mind I haven't watched all the episodes. But one particular episode stands out, "Errand of Mercy" where Kirk is eager to engage in war and has to be told that his way of thinking is barbaric. You could argue that the TOS cast was more relatable in that way. Picard was written as holier-than-thou.
Sometimes a show is just not going to connect with you. I felt that way about Voyager. PIC though feels like it's getting real interesting, and the most important part for me is they've done some excellent casting and the portrayals of these characters are pretty solid.
Picard was obviously a very important figure to Elnor. And when Picard comes back Elnor's hurt because he thinks it's just because Picard needs something from him. Most people can identify with that. I don't even like the visual design for the character but Evan Evagora's portrayal is great and so is his dialogue. Not every aspect of the show is going to hit it's mark, but when it does, and it hits it out the park...it makes the show memorable.
I also think the exploration of Romulan culture is what makes this "good Star Trek." We got a great insight into Klingon culture in TNG. The Romulans before always felt like cookie-cutter villains. There was no variation in the outfits even. But here, we get all this detail and intricacy added to their culture and society, complete with beliefs and mythology. It's very fun and makes the species more three-dimensional.
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This is Picard's greatest strength for me.
They're also showing people wearing clothes with collars and buttons and zippers for a change. Before it was clothes without any real collars and those ugly jump suits the civilains would wear..
I tend to lean this way, but then realized I must find the show interesting, because I'm curious about what's going to happen next.
When I first saw Enterprise, I watched it for only 20 minutes and then completely lost attention. Never really watched it again since. No interest. The same with Nemesis and Insurrection.
With Discovery, I started out watching it, but the interest fizzled out. I have no idea what's going on with it now.
With Game of Thrones it was in reverse. I eagerly watched all the seasons until the very last episodes, which was...pretty disappointing. So lately, there's no motivation to re-watch the last episodes of the show. A lot of fans felt that way.
With Picard, I do find the pacing really off and some of the plot elements "eh".
But we get see a lot of stuff we've never seen before. Characters looking and acting in ways we've never seen before in a Trek show. Visually, it's already among the best Treks. CGI is more advanced now.
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OK it's not essential, but it is interesting to finally see adult trek characters occasionally speak normally. I even thought Seven was originally more a gimmicky thing, but now I find her role pretty interesting.
But like you said it's now a matter of whether they can keep the story interesting or if make a GOT-like mistake. So far it's pretty good.
It has for me. I like it more than any series other than DS9, and would watch more of it on a re-watch than any of them.
As for Picard, it's been very soild so far. I have my gripes with it, but I do with each Trek series.
They're also showing people wearing clothes with collars and buttons and zippers for a change. Before it was clothes without any real collars and those ugly jump suits the civilains would wear..
I tend to lean this way, but then realized I must find the show interesting, because I'm curious about what's going to happen next.
When I first saw Enterprise, I watched it for only 20 minutes and then completely lost attention. Never really watched it again since. No interest. The same with Nemesis and Insurrection.
With Discovery, I started out watching it, but the interest fizzled out. I have no idea what's going on with it now.
With Game of Thrones it was in reverse. I eagerly watched all the seasons until the very last episodes, which was...pretty disappointing. So lately, there's no motivation to re-watch the last episodes of the show. A lot of fans felt that way.
With Picard, I do find the pacing really off and some of the plot elements "eh".
But we get see a lot of stuff we've never seen before. Characters looking and acting in ways we've never seen before in a Trek show. Visually, it's already among the best Treks. CGI is more advanced now.
And cursing is essential.
I even thought Seven was originally more a gimmicky thing, but now I find her role pretty interesting.
But like you said it's now a matter of whether they can keep the story interesting or if make a GOT-like mistake. So far it's pretty good.
Episode 6 was a game changer for me. I didn't like ep 5 much but I'm definitely more enthusiastic to see the rest now.
I hear you on Enterprise. I wanted to like it so much. Bakula seemed tailor made for a Starfleet Captain and the cast was perfectly fine. I even liked the concept and that damned intro song is still a guilty pleasure of mine and gives me all the feels showing the history of space exploration. .Just couldn't get into it, story-wise, even when attempting it years later. With Discovery, I watched the first free episode but it wasn't enough to make me a subscriber. I didn't hate it by any means and plan to watch it after Picard's season is over.
With PIC, certain things have made me go "ehhhh" at times, but nothing that makes me not want to watch it the next week. So, that's something, you're right.
Same for me. The show hit it's stride and has me hooked.
I can see why people didn't like PIC based on the first batch of episodes, but sometimes great shows have rough starts. Cheers comes to mind. TNG itself for the first two seasons.
If anything, even the first two episodes of PIC were better in story than any of the TNG films, IMO. Yeah, I prefer Stewarts acting in the TNG films more, but as far as story, PIC blows the other ones out of the water.
It actually is good Star Trek and what DSC should have been more like all along in execution and adherence to visual continuity. It's too early to say if PIC will go down as one of my favorite Trek series but so far it's nowhere near being in the running for the worst nor even one of the worst.
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