Adam Soong, hero of the Confederation.
Ducane's actor is in the trailers and seems to be one of the Matrix agents.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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Ducane's actor is in the trailers and seems to be one of the Matrix agents.
Even if it is Ducane, isn't it going to be a fascist Confederation Ducane? Not someone likely to want to help them change the timeline.
They have never done anything to show that she got her abilities from being in the Nexus. Well before Generations they referred to her people being known as "Listeners." It's really stretching things to say that the Nexus gave her the power to sense differences in the timeline. If that was the case, why didn't it do anything to Picard?
A holo Statue of him appeared in Episode 2 outside of Confed HQ and VO of brent can be heard.
His actor might have been spotted in one of the trailers. But that doesn't mean much.
Predictions:
- Harry Kim's ancestor shows up, played by Garrett Wang. 45-year-old ensign in the United States Navy.
- A communications beep heard multiple times in three episodes of The Original Series' second season turns out to be the key to finding the Watcher, but Picard must forge an uneasy alliance with the Sheliak in order to recreate the beep.
- Nagilum appears, admitting to a crestfallen Kes that it was he who sent the DMA into the 32nd-century Milky Way, not Species 10-C.
- On the run from the Borg Queen, Agnes takes too many left turns and ends up attending a Star Trek Convention hosted by True Fans who announce Star Trek: Picard's cancelation upon her arrival. Q saves her from their pitchforks but claims he'll exact another "toll" on Jean-Luc in exchange for her safety.
- The toll requires rescuing a time-traveling Brenna O'Dell from "Up the Long Ladder," who reveals Trip Tucker is still alive and replaces Rios with a resurrected Gene Roddenberry.
- Alex Kurtzman is fired.
My initial thought as the episode begins: I missed last week that the name of the clinic: Las Mariposas Clinic, or The Butterflies Clinic, making Agnes’s warning to Rios to “watch out for butterflies” in the timeline very on the nose.
Ito Aghayere did a great job as Guinan, and I enjoyed the scenes she had with Picard, though as others have pointed out, there was some lack of clarity in their past. *I’m tending to think that they’re fully aware of Time’s Arrow, and as @Harpsichord points out so well on this thread, until the timeline is righted, how could Guinan recognize Picard? We have no reason to believe the Confederation timeline traveled back to the past and interacted with Twain and Guinan and Jack London.
Honestly, the return of the bus punk wasn’t a real issue, but the eye roll it elicited from me represented more of a personal annoyance than Guinan not mentioning her and Picard meeting around Data and Mark Twain a couple hundred years prior, which upon closer examination, doesn’t seem to have been in error at all.
*Edited to reflect revised thoughts
Ito Aghayere did a great job as Guinan, and I enjoyed the scenes she had with Picard, though as others have pointed out, there was some lack of clarity in their past. *I’m tending to think that they’re fully aware of Time’s Arrow, and as @Harpsichord points out so well on this thread, until the timeline is righted, how could Guinan recognize Picard? We have no reason to believe the Confederation timeline traveled back to the past and interacted with Twain and Guinan and Jack London.
Honestly, the return of the bus punk wasn’t a real issue, but the eye roll it elicited from me represented more of a personal annoyance than Guinan not mentioning her and Picard meeting around Data and Mark Twain a couple hundred years prior, which upon closer examination, doesn’t seem to have been in error at all.
*Edited to reflect revised thoughts
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And now we know why he speaks BE: His ancestors went to England 
It's April, so 4.5 months till the riots, and probably no Sisko, unless they jump ahead.
OMG is that the same punk?! He plays a new version of the same song from TVH! And turns it off cause he's worried about his neck (Edit: It is Kirk Thatcher!)
It's April, so 4.5 months till the riots, and probably no Sisko, unless they jump ahead.
OMG is that the same punk?! He plays a new version of the same song from TVH! And turns it off cause he's worried about his neck
(Edit: It is Kirk Thatcher!)
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There will be no Sisko, unless someone can convince Avery Brooks to do something he doesn't want to do... and I don't think anybody could persuade Avery Brooks to do something he doesn't want to do.
These writers have not seen the episode Times Arrow. I'm struggling with this younger Guinan and the whole El Aurian aging thing.
There aren't even that many Guinan stories honestly. I find it hard to believe that not a single person who worked on this show didn't point out that Guinan should recognize Picard...
I remember back when Enterprise aired Braga called people who pointed this out Continuity Pornographers. I am not as hardware on continuity as other trek fans, but this is egregious.
35 years later and nothing much has changed
Those in charge are living large
The rest are all deranged
Cause I still hate you
Can't wait to eviscerate you
Cause I still hate all of you
The temperatures are rising
The sea level as well...
And he remembered!
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I can't give good marks to this episode. It feels like a drama with Star Trek characters but it doesn't really feel Trek to me, and the Guinan thing was too distracting to look past. The stuff with Raffi and Seven was fun but now they are criminals and yeah let's screw up the timeline even more. No one batted an eye with they watched Seven and Raffi disappear with light? The stuff with Rios didn't really go anywhere and I was hoping they would get him out with this episode. I think the Agnes/Borg Queen storyline is still my favorite.
What started out really promising has devoled into something I'm having a hard time with. Hopefully this is all leading somewhere interesting (and sci Fi and Trek) soon because right now the series feels like it's taking a misguided detour.
I am glad Laris is back. I do miss Soji though.
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What started out really promising has devoled into something I'm having a hard time with. Hopefully this is all leading somewhere interesting (and sci Fi and Trek) soon because right now the series feels like it's taking a misguided detour.
I am glad Laris is back. I do miss Soji though.
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LMAO Kirk Thatcher returns as punk on the bus! I actually loved that and sounds like he even re-recorded the song for this episode. I actually enjoyed this episode, although of course I'm a little confused with the young Guinan part.
I could tell it sounded different, but didn't know it was an entirely new song. Can't wait to see Kirk's post on his FB about it. That was an unexpected but pleasant surprise!So someone with 15 rankpins has the solution XD
It's a new song
'Supervisors' are back lmao! Complete with the purple door teleporter like Gary Seven had in his safe.I think the watcher is going to be Laris. And I've got my fingers crossed that she'll be revealed as a Gary-Seven-style "supervisor". Hey.. Maybe Zhaban was her cat? Would explain why she wasn't too broken up about his death
Not sure why Guinan would recognize Picard in this timeline. I doubt there even was a Data aboard the World Razer.
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