That's adorable. Lower Decks really is a fun show with a whole lot of heart.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 5x02 – “Shades of Green”
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That's adorable. Lower Decks really is a fun show with a whole lot of heart.
Clearly a play off the TNG title "Shades Of Gray". And a nice pun on the Orions AND the fact there are still people on Targalus that are money driven.
This gives us an interesting, and never before seen, look at a planet that literally transitions from currency to post scarcity. It's good see that while overall it's for the better, there will be factions that are totally against it. (I say good because this is completely believable and makes the story credible.)
I loved the fact it was a solar sail race! Clear homage to "EXPLORERS" with the Bajoran solar sailship. Looks like multiple races used this technology.
It was nice to see that D'Erika didn't tell her not because of lack of trust but out of an attempt to protect her from having to be stuck on Orion. (Though I did guess she was pregnant in the very beginning because of the munchies and D'Erika's other behaviors.)
T'Lyn has become such a fantastic character! Her story with Rutherford, from beginning to end, was so heartwarming. This Vulcan understands people better than most we've seen. Or more to the point, SHOWS that she understands people better.
Overall, I think this was better than the first episode, so I'm giving it a 9
This gives us an interesting, and never before seen, look at a planet that literally transitions from currency to post scarcity. It's good see that while overall it's for the better, there will be factions that are totally against it. (I say good because this is completely believable and makes the story credible.)
I loved the fact it was a solar sail race! Clear homage to "EXPLORERS" with the Bajoran solar sailship. Looks like multiple races used this technology.
It was nice to see that D'Erika didn't tell her not because of lack of trust but out of an attempt to protect her from having to be stuck on Orion. (Though I did guess she was pregnant in the very beginning because of the munchies and D'Erika's other behaviors.)
T'Lyn has become such a fantastic character! Her story with Rutherford, from beginning to end, was so heartwarming. This Vulcan understands people better than most we've seen. Or more to the point, SHOWS that she understands people better.
Overall, I think this was better than the first episode, so I'm giving it a 9
A lot of people have a very weird idea that just because the Federation is able to replicate everything, so should the rest of the galaxy.
DS9 didn't really clarify anything like that.
All we gleamed from Ds9 is that Gold pressed Latinum (GPL) is used as a means of exchange between various interstellar societies in Alpha and Beta Quadrants along with trade...
Even the Ferengi didn't use GPL in their trade agreement with the Dominion - they simply decided to engage in direct trade to get their proverbial foot into the door of the Gamma Quadrant because they were greedy and wanted more profitable opportunities - to be the first and capitalize on that market).
We know UFP doesn't use money... UFP and SF have historically been seen to directly TRADE with other species (one resource for another).
UFP mainly uses GPL (or another form of currency) if/when they want to interact with societies that DO rely on currency (aka, have monetary based economy) - but even in those instances, direct trade will be dominant (and easier).
Given the size of UFP (8,000 LY's) and its tech ability, it can probably create or manufacture anything and everything it really needs with relative ease (there would be a ridiculous number of solar systems in a radii of 8,000 LY's after all)... thing is that they still want to foster good relations with other interstellar societies that DO use money... so they directly trade or use GPL to facilitate this.
Ds9 was a Bajoran space station ADMINISTERED by SF... meaning that SF still had to respect Bajoran's own economic systems and customs for the most part because it was technically their station (ahem, Bajorans took it from Cardassians, SF merely swooped in to prevent Cardassians from coming back and as we know SF RESPECTS local law and didn't/couldn't interfere into Bajoran's development too much - Bajor for the most par DID get some assistance from the Federation, but they also wanted Bajor to NOT rely too much on their aid and allow Bajorans to transform their own planet - and after about 5 odd years, they have reached the level where UFP deemed them ready to join - Sisko prevented that at the time because of the looming war with the Dominion where SF couldn't guarantee Bajor's safety).
If you remember, SF also never charged Quark anything in terms of energy use or other things (because they don't use or need money, plus Quark was of some use to them)... but SF officers on Ds9 DID participate in the local Bajoran economy (mostly to help them - but private replicator use in their personal quarters and those at work were free to use obviously - they went to Quarks and Promenade to socialize and participate, so UFP likely provided them with some GPL to participate in those activities) - and Bajor had trading agreements with the Ferengi and some other monetary based societies which visited at DS9, so a combo of trade and gold pressed Latinum was used by many - DS9 got away with it because Bajor wasn't part of UFP at the time.
Also, it was never stated that replicators can't create gold pressed Latinum. There are no canonically established limits on replicators in themselves, but we DO know that various substances are REGULATED... and as such, replicators are programmed NOT to make those substances (in other cases, large energy requirements would be another factor - on ships its less practicable to make sufficient quantities of certain substances because it would likely require massive amounts of energy to produce - in solar systems where power generation is being made on a large scale from say solar, fusion and M/AM and likely continuous, energy isn't much of a problem for making energy intensive stuff).
Take money in real life for example. It can be printed easily enough but we don't do it because it would essentially devalue it.
It is likely that the Ferengi and other interstellar powers which use GPL or other forms of currency don't replicate them for exactly the same reason - they have a whole interstellar commerce and agreements in this regard and probably do not want (at least not yet) to move past the need for currency (even if they have the tech ability to do so).
The Federation moved past money so they don't have a direct need for GPL or trading with other societies for resources, but they do engage in those aspects regardless, probably to foster good relations because trade can facilitate these and other options (plus the UFP is not a closed society).
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T'Lyn has become my second favorite Vulcan, with only Spock himself coming out ahead of her.
Is the pronunciation of Orion Vs Ori-on a TAS joke that I wouldn't be aware of ?
Yeah, it was basically TOS Orions vs TAS Ori-ons.
Ore-ee-ons was an affectation of TAS that made no sense even 50 years ago but it's damn amusing.
Kling-UNS also happened early in TOS, so that also happened.
So it's confirmed that there are multiple pronounciations for "Orion". =D
Are multiple pronunciations considered unusual?
Screencaps gallery now online:
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Star Trek: Lower Decks Screencaps "Shades of Green" (S5:E2)
Cygnus-X1.Net: A Tribute to Star Trek
I don't get why Orions, who have replicators, still want gold and shit.
Loved the TAS callback blueish "Oreeons"
And T'Lynn was sweet.
Loved the TAS callback blueish "Oreeons"
And T'Lynn was sweet.
T'Lyn is wonderful!
I loved Boimler's little mustache.
I loved Boimler's little mustache.
All those Orion ships are gorgeous. They would make for great additions in STO (I already said that yesterday).Screencaps gallery now online:
Star Trek: Lower Decks Screencaps "Shades of Green" (S5:E2)
Cygnus-X1.Net: A Tribute to Star Trek
If Fanhome were to make more ships beyond the 20 they announced, a fully repaired Sequoia shuttle would be cool to have.
of the two that premiered I think I liked this one the best.
It did get a bit annoying how overprotective Tendi was being once the race started.
Loved Ransom calling out Boimler for using Mariners combadge.
I hope they show T’Lyn helping them work on putting the shuttle back together.
It did get a bit annoying how overprotective Tendi was being once the race started.
Loved Ransom calling out Boimler for using Mariners combadge.
I hope they show T’Lyn helping them work on putting the shuttle back together.
Saw this pointed out on Reddit, but we're close to the launch of the Protostar
This Episode's Stardate is 59376.9, the Protostar launched 59749.1
We're also around 60 stardates to what LDS writers consider the new year, so 2382.
I think there was a bigger time skip between Seasons 4 and 5 compared to previous seasons.
This Episode's Stardate is 59376.9, the Protostar launched 59749.1
We're also around 60 stardates to what LDS writers consider the new year, so 2382.
I think there was a bigger time skip between Seasons 4 and 5 compared to previous seasons.
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The Federation also has credits when dealing with outside species (and internally in the 23rd Century)
Federation credit
The Federation credit was a monetary unit used by the United Federation of Planets. Although it was stated on more than one occasion that the economy of the future was very different, and that money no longer existed on Earth from as early as the late 22nd century or in the Federation as late as...
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