Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x06 - "Parth Ferengi's Heart Place"
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And it always will be.
Which seems to be his favorite con given what we saw of his character progression from seasons 1 to 7 of DS9.
There are two types of Time Travel in Star Trek.
The first overwrites the existing timeline, in which case Discovery's future would have ceased to exist from the point of either the Borg joining the Federation or the Protostar getting sent back in time and the Protostar Drive being proven effective. Since both of those events involved changes to the existing timeline from time travel.
The second creates an alternate timeline, in which case Discovery's future would continue on it's path with The Burn happening, Limited FTL, the Federations collapse, and everything else completely unchanged.
Which means it's easy to tell which type of Time Travel we're dealing with, by whether the timeline changes show up or not in Discovery's future. And they haven't. Which means we're dealing with an alternate timeline.
Episode 6
So Grand Negus Rom has banned weapon sales? Hum..... something smell fishy about that to me.
Upgraded Genesis device? Well its not a bad idea, but why is one just rolling around in a Ferengi's hold?
Hum.... so the mystery ship can be contacted? Interesting.
And now the Ferengi get blasted. The Captain was right to move away!
The Toronto is a handsome ship.
Ferengi in the UFP? How the smeg are going to make that economic match-up work?
Why is an Starfleet Admiral handling the paperwork and not the Diplomatic Corp?
Also nice serving platters- not available in the merch store!
Nice to see Rom again!
I bet that Bust Bill was big!
Content Marriner is quite intense.
Travel Guide duty!
"Does he drink a lot of coffee?" - LOL
The hornist crew in the fleet and no-one married? Somehow surprised at that.
Total package Ransom? Indeed. Perhaps.
Starfleet VIPS! I bet that won't cause any problems.
Slug-O ads!
Brad taken into TV land.
"Crashing that Oberth?" - now there is a story there.
"Baseball!"
Dumb cop, reasonable routine - Carol is totally correct here. Quark would be proud of Rom!
That underwear was terrifying.
That is one Big Ferengi! And his biker mates.
Quark's Federation Experience Bar & Grill - so many Easter Eggs!
The Ferengi in Klingon cosplay/uniform was superb!
Noticed the naked Fergeni in the back.
"Picking fights to make sure you get hurt" - nailed it dude. Beckett needs to grow up.
Ferengi Dominion War memorial.... wow, a lost profits memorial is indeed "on brand"
Nicely provided escape there Doctor.
I like that the Ferengi pulled a fast one on the Admiral - are the UFP that desperate?
Carol is AWESOME!
Dig it was all an Ferengi trap. That was cool.
No natural chemistry really?
And this is why the UFP have holodecks instead of 'broadcast' TV!
Ransom that was harsh!
Overall, a fun episode. I think the characters learnt a little more about each other and us them.
So Grand Negus Rom has banned weapon sales? Hum..... something smell fishy about that to me.
Upgraded Genesis device? Well its not a bad idea, but why is one just rolling around in a Ferengi's hold?
Hum.... so the mystery ship can be contacted? Interesting.
And now the Ferengi get blasted. The Captain was right to move away!
The Toronto is a handsome ship.
Ferengi in the UFP? How the smeg are going to make that economic match-up work?
Why is an Starfleet Admiral handling the paperwork and not the Diplomatic Corp?
Also nice serving platters- not available in the merch store!
Nice to see Rom again!
I bet that Bust Bill was big!
Content Marriner is quite intense.
Travel Guide duty!
"Does he drink a lot of coffee?" - LOL
The hornist crew in the fleet and no-one married? Somehow surprised at that.
Total package Ransom? Indeed. Perhaps.
Starfleet VIPS! I bet that won't cause any problems.
Slug-O ads!
Brad taken into TV land.
"Crashing that Oberth?" - now there is a story there.
"Baseball!"
Dumb cop, reasonable routine - Carol is totally correct here. Quark would be proud of Rom!
That underwear was terrifying.
That is one Big Ferengi! And his biker mates.
Quark's Federation Experience Bar & Grill - so many Easter Eggs!
The Ferengi in Klingon cosplay/uniform was superb!
Noticed the naked Fergeni in the back.
"Picking fights to make sure you get hurt" - nailed it dude. Beckett needs to grow up.
Ferengi Dominion War memorial.... wow, a lost profits memorial is indeed "on brand"
Nicely provided escape there Doctor.
I like that the Ferengi pulled a fast one on the Admiral - are the UFP that desperate?
Carol is AWESOME!
Dig it was all an Ferengi trap. That was cool.
No natural chemistry really?
And this is why the UFP have holodecks instead of 'broadcast' TV!
Ransom that was harsh!
Overall, a fun episode. I think the characters learnt a little more about each other and us them.
Or they are a smaller scale, terraforms a size like the genesis cave type thing. The nuclear power plant compared to the original nuclear bomb.
there is one type. What ever the writers come up with that week.
Yup.
Or, as SF DEBRIS would put it, "I don't give a shit," rule of time travel.
Mariner has been growing as a character.
She's just hit a roadblock in that growth because her self sabotage is a very deep seated issue.
Yes, because were else will we get humor.
Thank you, Mariner, for being a self-sabotaging person for our amusement.
Thank you, Mariner, for being a self-sabotaging person for our amusement.
i see. Have they fired Kurtzman today or it’s for after lunch?
The only way for Discovery ends up in an alternate timeline is if the time traveler comes from further in the future than Discovery is. Which is supposed to be impossible, given the ban. If the time traveler comes from before the 32nd century then all the time shenanigans are in the past of the timeline that Discovery lands in.
And then there's "Calypso," where it could well be in an alternate timeline that no longer connects to DSC Seasons 3 through 5. The "V'Draysh" bastardized name for the Federation is mentioned and Zora the AI is on the path to her recognizable self in the 32nd century but the ship hasn't received her future tech refit so as fantastic and well-written as that story is it might be isolated in its own timeline.
Yeah, I had a twinge.
LOVED Carol being the one who understood what was going on and what needed to happen. I *like* seeing her be competent!
Mariner.... oh, girl, only you could start a library brawl! Her self-sabotage runs deep. I really have to wonder where it comes from.
The Dominion War Wall was brilliant and totally on brand.
"Landlord Cop" made me laugh A LOT. I watched waaaaay too many cop shows as a kid.
Borg joining the federation? When?!
Also I’d take anything about the protostar with a grain of salt, as we don’t know how that storyline ends.
and even so…
…I don’t see any contradiction in the future shown by discovery. In fact they’ve been frustratingly very careful in showing as little as possible of that era, probably just because they didn’t want to commit to anything that might get contradicted by future shows set in an early time.
DS9 alone has two separate timelines that otherwise look 100% identical and show no other changes whatsoever. The pre-Akorem Laan finishing his famous Bajoran poem timeline (2369-2372) and the post-Akorem Laan returns to his own century and completes said poem that originally remained unfinished (2372-2375).
Sisko's comment: "The Prophets work in MYSTERIOUS WAYS."
Sisko's comment: "The Prophets work in MYSTERIOUS WAYS."
As do Star Trek writers.
This is why I tend to believe that the “Past Tense” situation wasn’t random but a Prophet -created situation. Same with “Trials and Tribble-ations”.As do Star Trek writers.
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