Canon doesn’t work that way.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 3x08 - "Crisis Point Ⅱ: Paradoxus"
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Canon doesn't work any way. It's an illusion created by fans to pretend none of this is fictional.
Correct. Canon is the official body of work, as determined by the owner.
Canon and continuity always have been and always will be two separate and distinct categories and should be.
He didn’t own TOS. Paramount did. So him saying that TOS is invalidated would have about as much sway as me saying that. It doesn’t matter that he created it.
Now if you personally choose to believe that TOS is invalidated, that’s your choice. But if you try to tell me that that’s what I should believe because you think you have the authority to make that decision, nope.
I choose to believe SNW takes place in a separate continuity from TOS and the prime universe. I have never tried to convince anyone that that’s what they should think too, or that I have any power to actually make that decision. I just feel that way because it’s all fiction and subject to the whims of whoever is in charge of it at the time.
Exactly. Anti-authority.
Does ownership mean anything when discussing authorial intent?
Excellent question, that I have yet to have a sufficient answer to. The most common question I see is "Is it canon?" and I'm like, "Why do we care?" The better questions should be "Is it a good story? Are they interesting characters? Are you not entertained?"
There’s nothing inherently wrong with authorial intent. But unless that intent was made clear on screen, it’s still just intent, not official. If the owner wants to declare that the authorial intent is still valid, that’s their purview. But the opposite (the author saying their intent should be followed when they don’t have the authority of the owner to say so) is a different story.
Executive producers such as Rick Berman and Michael Piller absolutely did not adhere to Roddenberry’s intent that TOS and most of the TMP films should be invalidated, because they had no personal reason to feel that way, but mainly because TOS and the films were owned by Paramount who were still promoting and selling them. Gene’s opinion of the matter wasn’t a factor.
Fans have zero to do with what is and isn't canon and canon has nothing to do with the pretense something is or isn't fictional.
Canon is what is considered true within a universe and can be overriden with a pen so what are you talking about?
You're confusing canon with continuity. Canon is just the collected body of work. Continuity is how it all fits together (or doesn't, as the case may be.)
Not by a pen held by a fan.
Canon is not what's "true". It's the elements that comprise the franchise. In Star Trek's case it's 13 movies and 12 tv shows.
Yes, and is the official body of work. "True in universe" is not what canon is about at all.
My apologies. I was making my opinion on canon unclear: it is a silly thing.
But getting back to Paradoxus, I think this is probably my favorite episode of Lower Decks and wish we'd gotten to see Boimler's true movie.
I really am interested in the adventures of Captain Dagger and whether Bold Boimler is becoming him.
But getting back to Paradoxus, I think this is probably my favorite episode of Lower Decks and wish we'd gotten to see Boimler's true movie.
I really am interested in the adventures of Captain Dagger and whether Bold Boimler is becoming him.
Hardly. It is a classification thing that is invariably given more importance than it actually deserves.
Silliness implies pointlessness. It isn't quite there yet.
Mind you, I attended twelve years of Catholic school and it was driiled into me that canon means what is official and true. It also seemed as arbitrary and silly there.
I grew up in a Christian school and have studied religions extensively. I find it not silly there. With Star Trek, which is not a religion I find the demand by fans to know the canon status in order to enjoy the story highly silly.Mind you, I attended twelve years of Catholic school and it was driiled into me that canon means what is official and true. It also seemed as arbitrary and silly there.
This episode really needed a Shempo.
He needs to get revenge on Mariner.
He needs to get revenge on Mariner.
Trek's canon has always been the TV Shows and movies. Nothing arbitrary about that.Mind you, I attended twelve years of Catholic school and it was driiled into me that canon means what is official and true. It also seemed as arbitrary and silly there.
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