Star Trek Legends.

[Autistoid]

Alright a reimagined star trek.

With a much more harder outlook.

Warpdrives exist, however they are still limited by the speed of light. Meaning with warp 1.01 being 1 percent the speed of light, warp 2 being 0.5c, warp 9 being 0.9111 the speed of light.

Borrowing heavily from Prometheus and Interstellar the two strongest Sci fi's of the last decade IMO.

Earth launches a series of expeditions out into space to seek out new life and to expand earth's reach beyond our solar system.

Because of this each season will correspond to roughly a decade of earth time.

Meaning the series will travel both time and space as we get to experience rapid changes in federation growth over the period of just a few seasons.

Season 1 will end will finding a ancient alien artifact that give us a clue of what is out there.

Season 2 will be where we discover the foot brints and warm droppings of a nearby aliens,

With Season 3 being first contact with the vulcans.

Season 4 being when the missions turn back. to earth space as the crew returns to a newly formed federation colony. Find that the crew have become legends.

 

[BillJ]

Warpdrives exist, however they are still limited by the speed of light. Meaning with warp 1.01 being 1 percent the speed of light, warp 2 being 0.5c, warp 9 being 0.9111 the speed of light.

Then it isn't warp drive. Warp drive is there to allow to tell stories that otherwise couldn't be told due to the speed of light limitation.

Just calling it warp drive doesn't satisfy that criteria.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Why borrow from other franchises? Trek is its own beast, with its own sciences and tech to draw upon. If you're going to use something else then call it something else.

Seasons sound a little light in terms of exploring, whilst contact with alien races should be what it's all about. For me that is Star Trek.

 

[Autistoid]

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Warpdrives exist, however they are still limited by the speed of light. Meaning with warp 1.01 being 1 percent the speed of light, warp 2 being 0.5c, warp 9 being 0.9111 the speed of light.

Then it isn't warp drive. Warp drive is there to allow to tell stories that otherwise couldn't be told due to the speed of light limitation.

Just calling it warp drive doesn't satisfy that criteria.

Well it'd be a warp drive to the point that it does fold space.

 

[Autistoid]

Why borrow from other franchises? Trek is its own beast, with its own sciences and tech to draw upon. If you're going to use something else then call it something else.

Seasons sound a little light in terms of exploring, whilst contact with alien races should be what it's all about. For me that is Star Trek.

Because I wanna draw directly from the lore of trek..

Vulcan's klingon's etc.

Not to mention the uniforms.

etc etc.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's more to Star Trek than name dropping and costumes.

 

[Autistoid]

There's more to Star Trek than name dropping and costumes.

If I did what I wanted, there'd be few ways in which virtually everyone wouldn't call it a direct star trek rip off.

Ignoring technobabbly ironically.

1) The logic based race that functions as a mentor to humans.

2) The utopian government structure where work is optional.

3) The lack of warfare and the high amount of time spent exploring other worlds.

4) The basic command structure of star trek, wearing similiar sleek outfits,

5) The lone android.

6) The genocidal maniac causing earth to ban genetic engineering in the distant past.

7) The use of terms like the federation, starbase, stardate, etc etc.

8) Using 3 primary colors to denote position, as well as the use of familiar positions, such as ops.

9) 1000 internal references to things only star trek fans would understand.
Etc etc etc/

 

[DeMilburn]

Dont know how Season 3 would work, as the Vulcans made first contact with humans after the invention of warp drive on earth. So you are basically rewriting the history of the star trek universe. So if you do that, this would just be a sci fi show called star trek. It would not be star trek imo.

 

[Autistoid]

Dont know how Season 3 would work, as the Vulcans made first contact with humans after the invention of warp drive on earth. So you are basically rewriting the history of the star trek universe. So if you do that, this would just be a sci fi show called star trek. It would not be star trek imo.

yes because changes to the origins stories of batman, spiderman etc, have led to legal wars.

 

[BillJ]

yes because changes to the origins stories of batman, spiderman etc, have led to legal wars.

There is a point where something no longer resembles the source material and is simply being used due to creative laziness.

 

[DeMilburn]

Dont know how Season 3 would work, as the Vulcans made first contact with humans after the invention of warp drive on earth. So you are basically rewriting the history of the star trek universe. So if you do that, this would just be a sci fi show called star trek. It would not be star trek imo.

yes because changes to the origins stories of batman, spiderman etc, have led to legal wars.

Well, the origin stories of Batman / Spiderman etc, have never been changed. Batmans parents have always been murdered leading him to take up the mantle, how he transforms into batman may have changed but the origins havent. Same with Spiderman. He has had an interaction with a spider, been bitten and then got powers. So... yeah.

There are certain things in a franchises history that are set in stone. Small details may change but it can cause uproar with fans if too much was changed. If batmans parents where not murdered and he became batman in some other way then you can bet your morgage there would be some comeback on that. I believe the same with Star Trek.

Thats just my opinion of course you may not agree but I would also like to point out that the use of
in reply to someone giving their opinion to me shows that you are not open to people offering anything that goes against what you are saying. Again my opinion

 

[Squiggy]

Alright a reimagined star trek.

With a much more harder outlook.

Warpdrives exist, however they are still limited by the speed of light. Meaning with warp 1.01 being 1 percent the speed of light, warp 2 being 0.5c, warp 9 being 0.9111 the speed of light.

...
Meaning the series will travel both time and space as we get to experience rapid changes in federation growth over the period of just a few seasons.
....

It won't be rapid if it takes you 12 years to get to the closest habitable planet at maximum warp.

And 1% of the speed of light is insanely slow for sci-fi purposes. That's "only" 6.7 million miles per hour.

It'd take a month and a half just to get to Pluto.

 

[T'Girl]

1) The logic based race that functions as a mentor to humans.

Will they at least have FTL?

2) The utopian government structure where work is optional.

Are you going cut back and forth between Earth (presumed location of this government), and the ship's crew slowly crawling toward one far off star system.

3) The lack of warfare and the high amount of time spent exploring other worlds.

Lack of warfare is hardly a Star Trek concept. And if it takes you a full season just to arrive a a single destination, there'll be no exploring of "planets" plural.

5) The lone android.

Where did it come from?

6) The genocidal maniac ...

Referring to whom? Khan certainly wasn't a "genocidal maniac."

 

[Nerys Myk]

(6) The genocidal maniac ...

Referring to whom? Khan certainly wasn't a "genocidal maniac."

Kodos? Col. Green? Ron Tracy?

 

[fireproof78]

Others have commented, but some of these points seem to be oddly specific, since they have been done in other franchises and don't have to be Star Trek.

1) The logic based race that functions as a mentor to humans.

Why does humanity have to be the race that needs mentorship? Why can't humans being mentoring and learning at the same time?

2) The utopian government structure where work is optional.

Warped9 often points this out but TOS really didn't show Earth, and discussed Federation society, as a whole, rather rarely. It let the concept of a better future be imagined by the audience rather than imparting the creator's concept of "utopia."

3) The lack of warfare and the high amount of time spent exploring other worlds.
You can have both. One does not automatically preclude the other, save for how much screen time you want to devote to each plot point.

4) The basic command structure of star trek, wearing similiar sleek outfits,

Well, Starfleet's command structure is primarily American Naval in style (save for the discussion about enlisted ratings) so that is not new.

The sleek uniform look is also not new, not by a long shot. One merely needs to look at 50s scifi serials or the like to see that.

5) The lone android.
is not unique. Is a merely a continuation of the "outsider" trope.

6) The genocidal maniac causing earth to ban genetic engineering in the distant past.

Which one? It's Captain Archer, isn't it?

Khan wasn't genocidal so much as utilizing eugenics to select people for breeding. Master race stuff and all that nonsense. You can have so many more reasons for a ban on genetic engineering (individual respect, weaponization, perfect soldiers, etc) that don't require a past cataclysm.
7) The use of terms like the federation, starbase, stardate, etc etc.
Ok, a fair point that definitely points towards Star Trek, but again, not a requirement. Names, as pointed out, don't make Star Trek Star Trek.

8) Using 3 primary colors to denote position, as well as the use of familiar positions, such as ops.
Stargate: Atlantis did this, with similar effect (red for administration, blue for science, black for military).

9) 1000 internal references to things only star trek fans would understand.
Etc etc etc/

Thus far, that's all it feels like is references to past shows without any substance that makes it sound like Star Trek.

The thread about what Star Trek is and what is its future highlights this, but the concept of "utopia" was rather broad, in that humanity didn't destroy itself back when (after the 60s, when nuclear war was a constant threat) and nearly did so (WW III and Eugenics Wars). But, humanity survive and works together in cooperation. That should stop the utopian demonstration because the more you define, the greater risk of alienating people who don't agree with that specific vision of "utopia." By defining it, you can exclude other definitions and push people away.

As for the Warp Drive thing, honestly, I'm wondering why this is such a specific issue? FTL (or other tech) is a cheat to provide more worlds to explore. If it isn't warp drive, then do we use wormholes or jump gates? The concepts all exist in other franchises, so eliminating this one seems rather odd, to me.

 

[Autistoid]

Alright a reimagined star trek.

With a much more harder outlook.

Warpdrives exist, however they are still limited by the speed of light. Meaning with warp 1.01 being 1 percent the speed of light, warp 2 being 0.5c, warp 9 being 0.9111 the speed of light.

...
Meaning the series will travel both time and space as we get to experience rapid changes in federation growth over the period of just a few seasons.
....

It won't be rapid if it takes you 12 years to get to the closest habitable planet at maximum warp.

And 1% of the speed of light is insanely slow for sci-fi purposes. That's "only" 6.7 million miles per hour.

It'd take a month and a half just to get to Pluto.

As I said it'd take more like 18 months ship time.


Assuming you run into absolutely nothing along the way which isn't something I would agree with.

Assuming you start the show when they leave earth, and not 18 months into there voyage.

Assuming there is no rogue planets between stars.

Lost Ships.

Rotating colonies full of life.

Etc etc.

With 12 episodes in a given period you have tonnes of flexibility needed.

 

[BillJ]

And at 9/10th's the speed of light, it would take an object a while to slow down and stop.

Physics is a bitch...

 

[Autistoid]

And at 9/10th's the speed of light, it would take an object a while to slow down and stop.

Physics is a bitch...

That's why in this concept there is a warp drive, however it is still limited by the speed of light.

 

[Autistoid]

As for the Warp Drive thing, honestly, I'm wondering why this is such a specific issue? FTL (or other tech) is a cheat to provide more worlds to explore. If it isn't warp drive, then do we use wormholes or jump gates? The concepts all exist in other franchises, so eliminating this one seems rather odd, to me.

Because it's use has been excessive and greedy.

Why do we need access to 1,000,000,000 million stars if we can't find the ones in direct interest of value.

The need to avoid ftl isn't just about scientific realism, its about whether or not the tech helps to achieve the backdrop to storytelling of star trek.

And it generally cause a trek universe where literally every corner of the galaxy is filled with rubber forehead aliens.

Which this concept one can essentially goto 10 times the speed of light(relative to the people on the ship).

This to me seems like a fair pace if you want to actually focus on exoplanets, and nearby solar systems.

With a pacing that allows for 2 solar systems per season, each having multiple planets I think it's irrational to say there are not enough worlds.

The added benefit of having relativity limitations is that it's far easier for the viewer to really understand the degree to which each mission is truly experiencing the unknown.

Angain another doubling down is that there is a degree of traveling in both time and space as due to time dilation the crew will get to travel over a century forward into the future. Allowing for the people to make first contact to also be whiteness to their own celebrity by the millions of federation colonist that follow in their foot steps.


Again another advantage is the idea of the federation existing with no instantaneous communication. When one is isolated from their own time, the importance of loyalty to a grand galactic government only comes with more value.

 

[Autistoid]

I wouldn't call this exactly hard star trek. It's more about the idea that the space near earth is high density.

The klingons, vulcan's, andorians, cardassians, romulans, etc, are all related to humans through some ancient aliens arc.

Either through a shared pan spermia or some other shared history.

The vulcan's will represent the ancient ones, a dying race that is being pushed aside by the younger powers.

The romulans will be like in canon a more violent offshoot, that reject the stoicism.

Also due to the time dilation, worlds that world essentially klingon, will have been wiped out and replaced by other races. So the trip back will offer just as many diverse worlds as the trip forward.