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Sounds like Paramount doesn't have a freaking clue what they want to do with this movie franchise. So it looks like we won't get another film for at least 5 years.
They’ve had these scripts for years. They’ve done nothing with them. And at the rate they’re going, I don’t expect them to do anything more with them, much less even start pre-production with one of them.
The Hawley one is new.
The first script (with Kirk’s dad) was not done because they couldn’t sign the 2 Chris dudes. If they can somehow resolve that then it could be revived.
The Tarantino one was put on hold since he decided not to direct. But it is still an intriguing one since they can use his name in the writing credits.
But you are probably right that they won’t do anything with these. Obviously they are not super excited about any of them. So they will spend money on a 4th script. So who is the next writer to take a crack? Ron Moore? Kurtzman and his gang? Roberto Orci?
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There won't be a movie for many, many years. Paramount doesn't know how to go forward with Trek. They've had 4 years already! A follow up to Beyond would be ridiculous. That ship has sailed. Give us something new and fresh Paramount!
You know, I don't think the phrase "that ship has sailed" has ever really applied to Star Trek.
Sure, there are long periods where certain resurrections feel highly unlikely... from franchise killing Nemesis to Amazon Prime $$$$$ Picard. Admittedly its not TNG. More of a hybrid of new cast, and select returning peak popularity era characters to connect it to the past.
4 years passing without a Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto headlined project is a drop in the ocean compared to that. So even if the next film doesn't reunite everybody from Beyond, you can bet the slate won't be completely wiped clean.
Sure, there are long periods where certain resurrections feel highly unlikely... from franchise killing Nemesis to Amazon Prime $$$$$ Picard. Admittedly its not TNG. More of a hybrid of new cast, and select returning peak popularity era characters to connect it to the past.
4 years passing without a Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto headlined project is a drop in the ocean compared to that. So even if the next film doesn't reunite everybody from Beyond, you can bet the slate won't be completely wiped clean.
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Except for in "Explorers."
No, it really hasn't. And the less said about Generations the better
Ok, in all seriousness, Trek's film history is about as consistent as a fairground roller coaster. If they want to bring the Kelvin crew back then they will.
4 years? When the next movie is released, it will be 6 or 7 years! Why follow up a flop with another one seven years later? Paramount wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
The Kelvin crew was popular enough. I don't see the harm.
Mileage definitely varies.
Well it depends on what you mean by "Lower budget."
They went the lower budget route when they made TWOK, and we know how that turned out.
They have to figure out a way to produce ST films cheaper, but without them looking cheap. Less action/spectacle is the only way to do that IMO. Personally, I'd welcome the change.
In this day and age, there’s no way a film production could spend 50 million dollars to produce a film that looked like it had a 300 million dollar budget, especially a film that has Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth in it.
Plus, the comparison to TWOK is a bit unfair. Yes, they had all the stock footage and sets from the first film, but in the case of the Kelvin films, I’m sure that by this time all the sets would either have been struck or are in storage somewhere and probably unusable. And they’re not going to use any stock footage from a previous film now, unless it’s the launch of the Enterprise-A at the end of the last film. And by the time Paramount finally gets its ass in gear, so much time will have passed that everything will have to be brand-new.
Short of a straight-to-DVD film, producing a major Star Trek motion picture with a shoestring budget would be the death of the film franchise.
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I agree there's no way they could do it for 50M.
I'm talking relatively lower budget. That's why I said: "it depends on what you mean by lower budget".
TWOK was not a low budget film in absolute terms.
Some of the most successful films of 1982 and their budgets:
E.T. (10.5M)
Tootsie (21M)
Officer and a Gentleman (6M)
Rocky III (17M)
Porky's (5M)
TWOK (12M)
48 Hours (12M)
Poltergeist (10.7M)
So TWOK was still a relatively expensive film over all. However, it was a cheaper more low budget approach than the previous ST film. I think they should approach the next ST film with a similar mentality.
If you need a 2.5x box office multiplier on your production budget in order to be profitable, and the average inflation adjusted box office return for the Kelvin movies was 440M, then you probably want your budget set around 130M.
I would consider 130M to be "lower budget".
Could it be done? I think so, but you would have to cut back on all the over the top action and spectacle.
Even pre-COVID, mid-budget movies in general had stopped being made, let alone mid-budget sci-fi movies.
That said, there are some templates I think a "mid-budget" sci-fi movie could make. Arrival (which is one of the best sci-fi movies in the last decade) had a budget in the range of $50 million and made $200 million. It came out in 2016 though - same as Beyond - and there really hasn't been a financially successful, critically acclaimed mid-budget sci-fi movie since (Annihilation and Ad Astra were both good, but lost money).
That said, there are some templates I think a "mid-budget" sci-fi movie could make. Arrival (which is one of the best sci-fi movies in the last decade) had a budget in the range of $50 million and made $200 million. It came out in 2016 though - same as Beyond - and there really hasn't been a financially successful, critically acclaimed mid-budget sci-fi movie since (Annihilation and Ad Astra were both good, but lost money).
I don't know if I agree with that. I think there's quite a few mid budget movies being made. But again, it depends on how we define Mid-Budget. By today's standards under 150M is mid level.
2019:
Shazam 100M
Captain Marvel 160M
Once Upon a Time In Hollywood 95M
1917 100M
Knives out 40M
Spiderman 160M
Joker 70M
Jumanji 130M
Ford v. Ferrari 100M
Men In Black 110M
And this is just 2019. There's still a lot of mid-budget stuff being produced every year.
True there hasn't been many recently successful mid budget sci-fi movies, but these come to mind for me:
The Martian 108M
Insterstellar 165m
Gravity 115M
Planet of the Apes 93M
Ware of the POTA 150M
Bumblebee 135M
Ad Astra, Alien: Covenant and Bladrunner 2049 weren't' financially successful, but the do show you can make a good production a reasonable budget.
Yes, 09 was solid start for reboot. But IMO bad Robot had no clue where to take it from there
4 years was too long n STID was the "prize" for the wait.
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