And the Obena! People taking things that worked and just iterating upon it!
And the Titan-A! Right? Uh, right..?
Mark
And the Titan-A! Right? Uh, right..?
Mark
Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships and Technology Season Three Discussion
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That's my view. I am a big proponent of not reinventing the wheel. People talk about ship design like it is a linear process but we have no idea what makes the ship "Go" if you'll pardon the Pakled language. To me, Starfleet engineering is at a point where it can utilize any number of design elements to have a solid starship design. However, if we treat Starfleet like a real organization within that world then we also have to recognize that the Federation populace grows up with our heroes and them telling stories, and perhaps admiring certain ships or looks. So, I wouldn't put is past someone in Starfleet growing up with Kirk or Sulu or any other historical officer as a hero and loving the ship design and getting the opportunity to create it again.
To my mind, this is intensely simple idea but perhaps it is not. This idea that the designers of starships might actually like specific designs and revisit them because *gasp* They like them!
With the huge amount of variety shown across Trek history I feel this is not a difficult concept to grasp. But, then I'm struggling with why this causes consternation so what do I know?
Could be worse. Could be a Galaxy.
But the Galaxy class has an elliptical saucer. We can’t have that! MUST BE ROUND!
Round is definitely better than the Galaxy, true.
Enterprise C ( both versions) were round.. But didn't look like a Connie..
I like the Elliptical Saucer on the Galaxy Class.
I am quite aware that I am very alone in my opinion.
For the latest episode, we see several ships, including an Andorian ship and the pleasure craft Dove. It's nice to see that Lower Decks is following The Animated Series, in giving us ships of bizarre design which require a master ship designer's skill to decipher. The Algonquin and the Carlsbad are name dropped in this episode. The Algonquin was presumably named after a tribe indigenous to Canada.
There's also an Algonquin College here in Ottawa, which offers a three-year Animation (TV) diploma programme.
https://www.algonquincollege.com/mediaanddesign/program/animation/
As a grad of the previous two-year edition of that programme, I'm wondering which fellow alumni got hired for LDS...
https://www.algonquincollege.com/mediaanddesign/program/animation/
As a grad of the previous two-year edition of that programme, I'm wondering which fellow alumni got hired for LDS...
One wonders! Algonquin may turn out great writers too. Here in Calgary all we have is a one-time reference to skiing from Wesley Crusher. 
From 3x04:
- When the Enterprise got D'arsay'ed, at the end they triggered a reset and everything returned to normal. Does this mean that the Cerritos crew didn't finish their dumb game or unmasked the Captain before they could, meaning they had to refit the ship back to normal manually?
- The Dove was not necessarily a Starfleet ship, but they definitely serviced Starfleeters in need of R&R. OTOH, this makes two non-standard Federation ships apparently commanded by Triexians. They must have a corner on the market.
- So there wasn't a real reason the gang didn't just use the turbolifts to get to the airgapped terminal? Are they implying that there's nothing down in the secondary hull again? And if it was airgapped, how do they communicate the results of the lottery to all the entrants?
- Incidentally, said terminal was basically like the odd workspace LaForge and Worf were working in during TNG S1 "Lonely Among Us". This was a one-off, three-wall set that looks like it was plugged into the corridor segment that is used as Engineering or a corridor junction, depending on which episode you're watching.
- A paused holographic bullet is still hot. Does that mean that paused holographic lava or fires is still hot too?
- The exit port in the holodeck is in a trash can which is set a couple feet off the ground and opens directly into a laddered shaft. This opens up several questions about how people perceive things in a holodeck.
- So, for all the lower deckers there are "crammed" into this ship (especially in this episode), no one has noticed the skeletal Doopler? Or did someone just leave it there to help feed the plants? SOYLENT DOOPLER IS MADE OUT OF--
- So the Cerritos has a sweet spot too..? Is it in a gravitron chamber? It should be, because it looks and functions exactly like a gravitron chamber.
- Cerritos Jeffries tubes have big-ass fans in places.
Mark
From 3x04:
- When the Enterprise got D'arsay'ed, at the end they triggered a reset and everything returned to normal. Does this mean that the Cerritos crew didn't finish their dumb game or unmasked the Captain before they could, meaning they had to refit the ship back to normal manually?
- The Dove was not necessarily a Starfleet ship, but they definitely serviced Starfleeters in need of R&R. OTOH, this makes two non-standard Federation ships apparently commanded by Triexians. They must have a corner on the market.
- So there wasn't a real reason the gang didn't just use the turbolifts to get to the airgapped terminal? Are they implying that there's nothing down in the secondary hull again? And if it was airgapped, how do they communicate the results of the lottery to all the entrants?
- Incidentally, said terminal was basically like the odd workspace LaForge and Worf were working in during TNG S1 "Lonely Among Us". This was a one-off, three-wall set that looks like it was plugged into the corridor segment that is used as Engineering or a corridor junction, depending on which episode you're watching.
- A paused holographic bullet is still hot. Does that mean that paused holographic lava or fires is still hot too?
- The exit port in the holodeck is in a trash can which is set a couple feet off the ground and opens directly into a laddered shaft. This opens up several questions about how people perceive things in a holodeck.
- So, for all the lower deckers there are "crammed" into this ship (especially in this episode), no one has noticed the skeletal Doopler? Or did someone just leave it there to help feed the plants? SOYLENT DOOPLER IS MADE OUT OF--
- So the Cerritos has a sweet spot too..? Is it in a gravitron chamber? It should be, because it looks and functions exactly like a gravitron chamber.
- Cerritos Jeffries tubes have big-ass fans in places.
Mark
Probably depends greatly on the parameters programmed in to the program. Kind of like scaling video game difficulty you scale the realism.
One wonders! Algonquin may turn out great writers too. Here in Calgary all we have is a one-time reference to skiing from Wesley Crusher.
From 3x04:
- When the Enterprise got D'arsay'ed, at the end they triggered a reset and everything returned to normal. Does this mean that the Cerritos crew didn't finish their dumb game or unmasked the Captain before they could, meaning they had to refit the ship back to normal manually?
- The Dove was not necessarily a Starfleet ship, but they definitely serviced Starfleeters in need of R&R. OTOH, this makes two non-standard Federation ships apparently commanded by Triexians. They must have a corner on the market.
- So there wasn't a real reason the gang didn't just use the turbolifts to get to the airgapped terminal? Are they implying that there's nothing down in the secondary hull again? And if it was airgapped, how do they communicate the results of the lottery to all the entrants?
- Incidentally, said terminal was basically like the odd workspace LaForge and Worf were working in during TNG S1 "Lonely Among Us". This was a one-off, three-wall set that looks like it was plugged into the corridor segment that is used as Engineering or a corridor junction, depending on which episode you're watching.
- A paused holographic bullet is still hot. Does that mean that paused holographic lava or fires is still hot too?
- The exit port in the holodeck is in a trash can which is set a couple feet off the ground and opens directly into a laddered shaft. This opens up several questions about how people perceive things in a holodeck.
- So, for all the lower deckers there are "crammed" into this ship (especially in this episode), no one has noticed the skeletal Doopler? Or did someone just leave it there to help feed the plants? SOYLENT DOOPLER IS MADE OUT OF--
- So the Cerritos has a sweet spot too..? Is it in a gravitron chamber? It should be, because it looks and functions exactly like a gravitron chamber.
- Cerritos Jeffries tubes have big-ass fans in places.
Mark
There’s some indication in dialogue that this was not the first Minooki-related debacle, and I’d buy that the overworked and trinket-hoarding Cerritos may be more susceptible to this kind of problem… and not solving it on the first try.
Delta Shifters are said to be using the auxiliary corridors because “there’s no active monitoring”, which maybe is always on in the turbolifts?
I’d wager that if you’re turning off the safeties, the hots stay hot and the colds stay cold.
The poor Doopler emissary does seem to have been overcome by fumes and been totally overlooked… for months? On the other hand, maybe he died of natural causes and feeding hydroponic plants is an accepted, unremarkable funerary custom?
To my ongoing delight, recurring background players get named as Federov and Moxy, while Meredith likely has her first appearance, bringing my very rough minimum Cerritos crew count to 290, some of whom feel this is crowded.
There’s no reason for these chompy, crushy things in the middle of the ship!
I spent the whole episode trying to figure out what the Dove reminded me of. It could be the Lady Luck from Star Wars, or the Gemenon Traveler from Battlestar Galactica, but I feel like there's something else that's closer.
It's the interior of the deflector dish. The hatch they enter through is in the wall of the Jefferies Tube, but is the floor of the torus, which make sense, since it'd be "sideways" with the axis pointing towards the front of the ship, and fits with the wonky gravity. And it goes back to TMP at least that gravity manipulation in Star Trek involves rapidly spinning discs.
Sorry, mods, but it's been twenty-four hours and I have a new, relevant contribution!
I was curious about this new cutaway after I noticed it in the episode (both here and earlier on a wall in engineering), so I brought it into Photoshop and scaled it for comparison with the old Cerritos MSD, as well as a number of others I grabbed off of EAS and MA (since I wanted to be sure I wasn't using fan-art). This is quick-and-dirty, and I just scaled so the deck heights would match, so that's why there's some weirdness like the Sovereign being shorter than the Galaxy. This is a really big ship to have crew space at such a premium, even before the upscale.
I was curious about this new cutaway after I noticed it in the episode (both here and earlier on a wall in engineering), so I brought it into Photoshop and scaled it for comparison with the old Cerritos MSD, as well as a number of others I grabbed off of EAS and MA (since I wanted to be sure I wasn't using fan-art). This is quick-and-dirty, and I just scaled so the deck heights would match, so that's why there's some weirdness like the Sovereign being shorter than the Galaxy. This is a really big ship to have crew space at such a premium, even before the upscale.
The lack of space is obviously from all the storage volume dedicated to artifact storage and transport. Someone has got to transport those ancient masks and disassembled research facilities
I cracked up about how much the ship has changed with Boimler's line, "It's just, after all these retrofits, a lot of this stuff isn't even labeled." Probably explains how the ship increased in size
I aligned it with the D decks a while ago and it looked like this...
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We know not every ship has the same deck height though – and not every deck on the same ship is the same height. It seems that the Galaxy-class decks are mostly between 3.2 and 3.5m tall (except deck 36 which is over 4m tall), but post-Galaxy ships like the Intrepid and the Sovereign have decks that are all around 4m tall.
Oh, absolutely. I'd say that at minimum the California-class saucer is the same size as the Ambassador-class saucer, which is around 1.4 million cubic metres in volume, which is around the full volume of an Akira-class, or about double the volume of an Intrepid-class. Unless the California-class routinely has a crew size way in excess of even a Galaxy-class there should be no reason to have people sleeping in corridor bunks.
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