It is now.
So, anyone here ready to declare this the best Star Trek film yet?
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BEST
TREK MOVIE
EVER.
TREK MOVIE
EVER.
As you wish.
Seriously, I'm not gonna fight about it--just as all Batman is Batman and all Bond is Bond, then, yes, this is most certainly Star Trek. But it's Star Trek as Roger Moore romp, not as Craig spy thriller. Or, to use the Batman analogy, it's Adam West or even Michael Keaton, not as written by Alan Moore or, before he went loony, Frank Miller or even as played by Christian Bale. It's the Trek of those story albums that came with their own comic books--its barely "smarter" than Star Trek as rendered by Gold Key.
But, yeah, it's Star Trek now. And I'm cool with it. I like those Gold Key comics.
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I just got out of the movie and was thinking about this. It would have overwhelmed the plot. Nimoy handled the eventual quantum-reality expository bit. Having Shat as Kirk would have meant they were from a different "original" reality...the same explanation would have worked but it would be adding another tangled layer...plus where do you stop? Do you get George Takei also? I mean I wish the TOS cast well, but Spock was the only TOS cast member that was woven into this plot. He had to be there.
I agree a bit in the mindmeld could have worked - but mindmelds have always been shown externally. I don't recall a mindmeld ever going into a dream-like sequence, could be wrong on that.
I don't know if I can declare this film #1, but damn - it was a very pleasant surprise, and as I understand a sequel is already in the works. It's DEFINITELY worthy of a sequel.
In my cosmology, I have something like:
ST4
ST2-3
ST:FC
Star Trek
ST:INS ST: VI
ST: TMP ST: V ST: NEM
In fact, I hate to say it, but I might end up putting this film ahead of FC. Tough call right now though. The Borg were still a cooler enemy than the Romulans in this new film IMO.
For FX and sound though, the new film is amazing. There's enough in the texturing of ships like the Enterprise, that it doesn't quite look like CGI to me.
Man what was with all the damn spotlights on the bridge though?
According to Abrams, Shatner didn't want to do a cameo. Same as Nimoy in Generations.
No, Shatner should not have been in this movie. Neither should Nimoy.
I loved the characters and the effects; I have loved Bruce Greenwood for years, and he was no disappointment. Spock was a rock star.
But as Trek, the movie is a little odd; will there really be no Vulcan and no Romulus? Did I miss something? Hard to imagine Trek without them -- especially Vulcan. I suspended disbelief in "Countdown," hoping the movie would fix that.
Now I'm wondering if the next movie will fix it...
But as Trek, the movie is a little odd; will there really be no Vulcan and no Romulus? Did I miss something? Hard to imagine Trek without them -- especially Vulcan. I suspended disbelief in "Countdown," hoping the movie would fix that.
Now I'm wondering if the next movie will fix it...
He could've come back for Spock-1 at the very end. "Let me show you this awesome place. It's called the Nexus..."
I would rate it higher than any but Search for Spock and Undiscovered Country, and maybe Voyage Home. It's got some nonsense, but manages to be a fantastic film nevertheless.
Jeri said:
Well, in fairness, Romulus does still exist--in Trek-2's 23d century. It's only Trek-1's 24th century that doesn't have a Romulus--and it still, presumably, has a Vulcan.
I wholeheartedly agree that it kind of sucks for any sequels, but it works tremendously well in terms of the film itself.
Amasov said:
Holy crap! Really?
I've already posted this thought in other threads...
It IS the Best Star Trek Movie made so far...
(in my not-so-humble-opinion...)
I just wish it was more in line with what has been Trek all these years, for me...
I don't mind a bit of artistic license, and I understand why they had to make all the updating/appearance changes, I just wish They hadn't gone so far afield with the History/Backstory of Trek.
I guess it's not the minor changes that bother me... It's the GREAT-BIG-HUGE CHANGES that I have problems with.
It IS the Best Star Trek Movie made so far...
(in my not-so-humble-opinion...)
I just wish it was more in line with what has been Trek all these years, for me...
I don't mind a bit of artistic license, and I understand why they had to make all the updating/appearance changes, I just wish They hadn't gone so far afield with the History/Backstory of Trek.
I guess it's not the minor changes that bother me... It's the GREAT-BIG-HUGE CHANGES that I have problems with.
Romulus will still be there. And something tells me New Vulcan will be just as relevant as old Vulcan.
I am just going to separate the two in my mind. We now have two canon Star Trek universes. That is the easy way to accept and love this movie and still love everything else. Trek I and Trek II. Both are great, I will be the first to stand up and say I love both.
Ditto. Though FC and TUC are right behind WoK and XI for me.
By FAR the best.
It was an enjoyable popcorn romp, but hardly the best Trek has to offer.
I guess I just don't like the new style of making action films. Little real characterization (Bana, for instance, was wasted), sense of geography is hard to grasp during action, and in an attempt to make things look more real with CG... they look less real.
Not a bad movie... but I'll probably confuse parts of it with, say, Transformers.
I guess I just don't like the new style of making action films. Little real characterization (Bana, for instance, was wasted), sense of geography is hard to grasp during action, and in an attempt to make things look more real with CG... they look less real.
Not a bad movie... but I'll probably confuse parts of it with, say, Transformers.
Agreed. Head and shoulders above the rest.
Yes. I just loved it. I saw it at the IMAX, and my jaw was dragging the ground the entire time. I laughed, I cried, I was just completely amazed by this film.
Can't answer that right now. TWOK had established characters and an established powerful villain going for it, a comfort level already in existence.
Considering all the heavy lifting that Abrams and company had to do, and the necessity to get accustomed to and accept an whole new crew, the movie was absolutely fantastic.
I think if there is a next one, then comparisons with the best of TOS--TWOK, TUC--are in order. This one just had too much to do to be a classic in its own right. And it did so successfully.
Now we wait for the box office.
Considering all the heavy lifting that Abrams and company had to do, and the necessity to get accustomed to and accept an whole new crew, the movie was absolutely fantastic.
I think if there is a next one, then comparisons with the best of TOS--TWOK, TUC--are in order. This one just had too much to do to be a classic in its own right. And it did so successfully.
Now we wait for the box office.
The best? I'm not ready to decide yet, but I don't suspect it will turn out to be. It says something, I think, that the most emotionally poignant moments (aside from the scenes dealing with Spock's family) are all callbacks to TWoK.
That said, it was fast, fun, amazing to look at and most importantly, charming as hell. One of the film's best assets is its positive energy, and that forgives a lot of flaws.
That said, it was fast, fun, amazing to look at and most importantly, charming as hell. One of the film's best assets is its positive energy, and that forgives a lot of flaws.
It'll be interesting to see how it endures...
For some odd reason, as others have noted, TMP appears to have bumped up in the order for quite a lot of people. I find that surprising. TMP was "eye candy" for just seeing the old crew together again. The story was a copy of an episode (V'ger=Nomad) and the pace was so painfully slow. The whole "Spock embraces emotions" was a pimple on Star Trek canon that popped. In TWOK, it was as if it never happened--Spock was back to controlling his emotions.
When Nemesis first came out, weren't there a few who said "best Trek ever!"? Now it's often being bashed about as near the bottom end (and I have to agree).
Who knows... maybe the euphoria of a different Star Trek will wear off for those who say it is the best they've seen so far. But then, one has to ask what generation they're from. If it's folks born in the 1980's, well... it may just be a factor of being a product of growing up with the Hollywood we see today--little story but mega CGI.
For some odd reason, as others have noted, TMP appears to have bumped up in the order for quite a lot of people. I find that surprising. TMP was "eye candy" for just seeing the old crew together again. The story was a copy of an episode (V'ger=Nomad) and the pace was so painfully slow. The whole "Spock embraces emotions" was a pimple on Star Trek canon that popped. In TWOK, it was as if it never happened--Spock was back to controlling his emotions.
When Nemesis first came out, weren't there a few who said "best Trek ever!"? Now it's often being bashed about as near the bottom end (and I have to agree).
Who knows... maybe the euphoria of a different Star Trek will wear off for those who say it is the best they've seen so far. But then, one has to ask what generation they're from. If it's folks born in the 1980's, well... it may just be a factor of being a product of growing up with the Hollywood we see today--little story but mega CGI.
