Spoilers Q&A With Alex Kurtzman about Season 2 and the Finale

[Shinzonfan]

The Pike spinoff would start after The Cage; its already happened.

I'll have to watch it again. I know it wasn't their first mission (first for us but not for them) as Pike talks about trouble in a previous mission. However I think you are right as the Stardate on The Menagerie was 3012.4 and The Cage was supposed to be 13 years before that. Oh well, I'd still like to see it redone if it could be done in a way that made sense.

 

[Lord Garth]

DSC and TOS stardates don't mix. All the stardates in DSC after "The Vulcan Hello" are higher than "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

I think they use strictly four-digit stardates where, like an odometer, after 9999.9 they reset to 0000.0. But that's strictly head-canon on my part.

Or we can go with the explanation Gene Roddenberry came up with back in the '60s, which is out of whack -- the dates depend upon where you are in space because of time dilation and relativistic speed across the galaxy -- but there you have it.

 

[XCV330]

DSC and TOS stardates don't mix. All the stardates in DSC after "The Vulcan Hello" are higher than "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

I think they use strictly four-digit stardates where, like an odometer, after 9999.9 they reset to 0000.0. But that's strictly head-canon on my part.

Or we can go with the explanation Gene Roddenberry came up with back in the '60s, which is out of whack -- the dates depend upon where you are in space because of time dilation and relativistic speed across the galaxy -- but there you have it.

Roddenberry was right. Nothing is instantaneous, even in Trek long distance (depending on the plot) subspace communications is not supposed to be instantaneous, so the idea of a common time system is more of a shared illusion. A common time would have to be agreed upon, say backdating from the birth of a pulsar with a known birthdate, say Crab Pulsar if the Vulcans were watching closely at that time, but it still would not take into account dialtion effects would which would be different depending on where you were, or where you were going. Just let stardates continue to be nonsense

Or they could just use Unix Time

 

[fireproof78]

Roddenberry was right. Nothing is instantaneous, even in Trek long distance (depending on the plot) subspace communications is not supposed to be instantaneous, so the idea of a common time system is more of a shared illusion. A common time would have to be agreed upon, say backdating from the birth of a pulsar with a known birthdate, say Crab Pulsar if the Vulcans were watching closely at that time, but it still would not take into account dialtion effects would which would be different depending on where you were, or where you were going. Just let stardates continue to be nonsense

Or they could just use Unix Time

And this is why I struggle with writing science fiction. That time dilation and relativity stuff give me a headache

Also, stardates are nonsensical.

 

[Kol-Ut-Shan]

It's also possible Spook doesn't even consider Burnham to be his sister after all they aren't related by blood and as a logical person I could see him thinking of her as a non family member.

Spook?

 

[trekfan39]

Haha Sorry Kol-Ut-Shan! I did mean Mr. Spock.

 

[Noname Given]

It's so easy to put your own interpretation on these things, and read into it what you want to read into it, and I'm about to be guilty of that when I say that what I see here


suggests to me that it was never the plan to have the Enterprise enter this series so early and the writers were simply told from above to make it happen. If that's the case then you could surmise that CBS is not totally happy with how the show has performed. That's not to say it hasn't done well, and looking at the response on this forum it certainly has been well received by many fans, but maybe not by as many as CBS had hoped.

And if I'm going to go way out in left field here and let my imagination run wild with wishful thinking, then I might want to say something like - maybe showing us Enterprise in the last episode and going into TOS theme music is really a coded message from the network telling some of us "We heard you, so just trust us and keep the faith. We will give you what you want."

And ideally what I want to see is Discovery morph into the adventures of a young Christopher Pick and the crew of the Enterprise, or maybe an Enterprise Spin off. Have that run for 5 or 6 years and then in the final episode of the final season redo "The Cage" followed by Pike's promotion off Enterprise. Then the following year reboot TOS with a Young James T. Kirk and crew, redo some of the best original episodes along with many many new ones, and take us on a true 5 year voyage of exploration and Discovery.

After that I can curl up and die happily with my bucket list complete.

Don't think so. It's pretty clear they wanted/planned to have the 1701 make its appearance at the end (as a teaser). That said, it's similar to the situation Michael Piller set up when writing the concluding line to the TNG Season 3 cliffhanger "Best of Both Worlds I" aka:

Riker: "Mr. Worf...FIRE!"

At the time, Mr. Piller said he liked it (the line and the ending of part 1), it worked well for the episode, but as he was writing it, he had NO CLUE how he was going to end the conclusion at that time.

So yeah, same thing here. They decided the 1701 appearing was the ending shot for ST: D's first season at the very beginning of the Season 1 story break process. When they decided that though, they had zero clue where they were going to take it from there into season 2 (if they got a Season 2); and that's what they've been working on coming up with since they started doing the story breakdown for Season 2. (Supposedly they started doing that last October; and Season 2 is supposed to start shooting in April 2018; so I hope they have what they want to do with regard to the appearance nailed down by now.)

 

[DaveyNY]

DSC and TOS stardates don't mix. All the stardates in DSC after "The Vulcan Hello" are higher than "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

I think they use strictly four-digit stardates where, like an odometer, after 9999.9 they reset to 0000.0. But that's strictly head-canon on my part.

Or we can go with the explanation Gene Roddenberry came up with back in the '60s, which is out of whack -- the dates depend upon where you are in space because of time dilation and relativistic speed across the galaxy -- but there you have it.

I always figured that the Stardate's were a time unit based on a ship board clock preset to Star Fleet HQ's time.
Every time there was a communication with HQ, the ships computer would realigned itself to that time frame, as well as adjust the timestamps of the Captain's Logs to make up for what ever inconsistency WARP travel had caused.
Though by the time of TOS, computers can probably figure out how to stay "on time" by themselves and just use mathematics/physics as well as links to Federation space buoys to adjust themselves.

Star Fleet ship-life is based on an internal 24 hour time frame to regulate shifts and such, but that was separate from the actual clock time.
The ships internal time would be set the moment the ship first became active and continue throughout it's lifespan. Possibly being reset whenever it was dry-docked for any extended time period or maybe when a new Captain was put in command.
<shrug>